Apple CEO Tim Cook apologizes to customers for Maps in iOS 6

 
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They're working on it...

Meanwhile, I'll keep using Navigon...

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kch50428 wrote:

Meanwhile, I'll keep using Navigon...

Right now I'm using Garmin USA. No network needed for turn by turn routing & all the maps are on the iPhone. My son has Navigon on his iPhone and he loves it. All the reviews say it's probably the best.

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Navigon

kch50428 wrote:

Meanwhile, I'll keep using Navigon...

Do you know if there is an app for Navagon Europe?

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ChefDon16 wrote:
kch50428 wrote:

Meanwhile, I'll keep using Navigon...

Do you know if there is an app for Navagon Europe?

http://www.navigon.com/portal/sites.html

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Only time I have used it is

Only time I have used it is to look up the problems reported.

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He should be. Steve would

He should be. Steve would fired Tim if he still alive to released such an awful maps.

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stevennguyen wrote:

He should be. Steve would fired Tim if he still alive to released such an awful maps.

Please. Steve let Siri out to the world on the iPhone4 in a similar state maps is now... And it's not like there aren't alternatives. People act like Google is the only map app on the planet... smh...

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ChefDon16 wrote:

Do you know if there is an app for Navagon Europe?

There is. Navigon started life as a German company before Garmin bought them... so their European offerings are quite seasoned in the marketplace.

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stevennguyen wrote:

He should be. Steve would fired Tim if he still alive to released such an awful maps.

No. Jobs would have told users we were using the Maps wrong. We'd then apologize to Apple for blasphemy. Cook isn't a Jedi. He doesn't know how the mind trick works.

incorrect datum adjustment

For quite a while I was taking the "awful new Apple maps" reports with large grains of salt. The evidence provided seemed to be an admittedly large number of single-location miscues. As all map sets of any appreciable size have errors, some of them rather obvious on inspection, I was not initially convinced there was noteworthy malfeasance.

BUT, I then read a somewhat mangled reference which, if I understood it correctly meant that the Apple maps mixed material from more than one datum in Japan, WITHOUT getting the datum adjustments right. If that is actually true, this is a case of flunking global mapmaking 101, big time, and in a major location which needs and uses digital mapping extensively. Worse yet, the datum offset in question was hundreds of yards!!

I'd provide a link, but I can't find this online. Can anyone here confirm or deny? Also, does anyone here have confirmation of a similar sort of grand-scale basic mapmaking error at hand--beyond the usual collection of odd-fitting photos and local errors?

The Apple of Jobs was not immune to egregious error. Putting metal of the antenna in a convenient place for the user to touch it was an RF 101 error about as bad in my sight as the datum error.

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NYTimes on the datum error

After making my post a did more searchs (omitting the term datum) and found this reference:

Quote:

Moreover, Japan uses a system of longitude and latitude that differs slightly from the global standard, and Apple may have mixed up data sources that use the two systems, Mr. Yamagishi said.

At certain points, the difference between the Japanese and international coordinate systems can come to as much as 450 meters (1,476 feet), according to Japan’s Land Ministry.

“It looks like they haven’t merged their various data sources very well. That’s a painstaking process that will take a lot of time and effort,” Mr. Yamagishi said.

The full article is at
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/technology/apple-maps-erro...

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Jeepers, Google Maps Was Not the Only Option

There are and have been other map/nav options readily available and discussed regularly on these forums.

I'm using the Garmin North America app and Navigon... I'm not missing the Google maps at all. I'm no bothered by the recent new entry, Apple Maps.

Highly recommend the Garmin app if you want to retain the Garmin feel on the iPhone. Either are not free, but you get what you pay for. Google maps didn't come close to the Garmin or Navigon apps.

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diesel wrote:

There are and have been other map/nav options readily available and discussed regularly on these forums.

I'm using the Garmin North America app and Navigon... I'm not missing the Google maps at all. I'm no bothered by the recent new entry, Apple Maps.

Highly recommend the Garmin app if you want to retain the Garmin feel on the iPhone. Either are not free, but you get what you pay for. Google maps didn't come close to the Garmin or Navigon apps.

I agree on the Garmin USA app. Works great, voice navigation is great, and I can play any of my 7,500 iTunes without leaving Garmin USA through my radio using TuneLink and a Mountek CD Slot car mount.

As I've mentioned before, my iPhone in portrait mode gives me more of a road ahead view than my Garmin Nuvi 760 in landscape mode, the only option it gives me.

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Another Map Option

I have not yet used it, but the reviews are pretty good.

http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12...

Waze is a fun, community-based traffic & navigation app, 20 million strong. Plug into the driving community in your area, joining forces with other drivers nearby to outsmart traffic, save time & gas $, and improve everyone's daily commute. Community generated real-time traffic and road alerts including accidents, hazards, police traps, and more. Complete voice-guided navigation. Automatic re-routing as conditions on the road change. Learns your frequent destinations, commuting hours and preferred routes. Find the cheapest gas station on your route. Redeem Wazer-only gas specials at participating gas stations. (currently in the US only) Meet-up! Share your location/destination and ETA to easily meet up with friends. Join or create groups to share info about your commute. Earn points and move up the ranks in your community as you contribute road info. Live maps, constantly updated by Waze community map editors.Drive safe! Waze is hands-free and voice-operated. By simply driving around with Waze open, you're already contributing real-time traffic & road info to other Wazers nearby. It's all about contributing to, and benefiting from, the 'common good' out there on the road, so hop on board, and get involved in your local driving community today!Note: Continued use of GPS running in the background can dramatically decrease battery life.

Read more: Waze social GPS traffic & gas - CNET Download.com http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12...

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still Another Map Option

CherylMASS wrote:

I have not yet used it, but the reviews are pretty good.

http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12...

Waze is a fun, community-based traffic & navigation app,

I like INRIX better as it uses both social; reporting and hardwired sensors.

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I've used the both but Waze and Intrix use your data plan to work. Be prepared.

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Waze

Is the GPS equivalent of Wikipedia. Keep in mind, any idiot can edit Wikipedia.

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We Know, we know

kch50428 wrote:

Is the GPS equivalent of Wikipedia. Keep in mind, any idiot can edit Wikipedia.

And Navigon is the best thing since slice bread!!!

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Thanks Cheryl I will give it

Thanks Cheryl I will give it a try

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kch50428 wrote:
ChefDon16 wrote:

Do you know if there is an app for Navagon Europe?

There is. Navigon started life as a German company before Garmin bought them... so their European offerings are quite seasoned in the marketplace.

flaco wrote:
kch50428 wrote:

Is the GPS equivalent of Wikipedia. Keep in mind, any idiot can edit Wikipedia.

And Navigon is the best thing since slice bread!!!

Q: Does Navigon give slice by slice directions?

A: Only on routes through Poland.

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perpster wrote:

Q: Does Navigon give slice by slice directions?

A: Only on routes through Poland.

humor #fail.

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kch50428 wrote:
perpster wrote:

Q: Does Navigon give slice by slice directions?

A: Only on routes through Poland.

humor #fail.

Maybe wink. But in the words of Teddy Roosevelt:

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

smile

WAZE Warrior

CherylMASS wrote:

I have not yet used it, but the reviews are pretty good.

http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12...

Waze is a fun, community-based traffic & navigation app, 20 million strong....

I use this APP locally and it works great for me. I also used it on a trip up to Worchester, MA back in May and it worked great there as well.

I have INRIX too, but I haven't used it very much!

ML

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waze

CherylMASS wrote:

I have not yet used it, but the reviews are pretty good.

http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12...

Waze is a fun, community-based traffic & navigation app, 20 million strong. Plug into the driving community in your area, joining forces with other drivers nearby to outsmart traffic, save time & gas $, and improve everyone's daily commute. Community generated real-time traffic and road alerts including accidents, hazards, police traps, and more. Complete voice-guided navigation. Automatic re-routing as conditions on the road change. Learns your frequent destinations, commuting hours and preferred routes. Find the cheapest gas station on your route. Redeem Wazer-only gas specials at participating gas stations. (currently in the US only) Meet-up! Share your location/destination and ETA to easily meet up with friends. Join or create groups to share info about your commute. Earn points and move up the ranks in your community as you contribute road info. Live maps, constantly updated by Waze community map editors.Drive safe! Waze is hands-free and voice-operated. By simply driving around with Waze open, you're already contributing real-time traffic & road info to other Wazers nearby. It's all about contributing to, and benefiting from, the 'common good' out there on the road, so hop on board, and get involved in your local driving community today!Note: Continued use of GPS running in the background can dramatically decrease battery life.

Read more: Waze social GPS traffic & gas - CNET Download.com http://download.cnet.com/Waze-social-GPS-traffic-gas/3000-12940_4-75048597.html#ixzz27rQ2GZKt

I've used Waze and it's pretty good. Only issue is that it uses up a lot of battery.

My Solution

My solution has been to sit on 5.1.1 if/until a good replacement comes along. Plus there have been a lot of reports on Sprint's forums about WiFi and reactivation issues with iPhone 4S's that have been updated. Frankly I do not need the hassle. I updated my iPod Touch 4 to iOS 6 in order to try it out and found nothing there to make me want to run out and upgrade. I also have an iPad 2 that is staying on 5.1.1 for now. The iPhone YouTube app looks terrible on the iPad 2 so the only way to get native You Tube support for now is to continue using the 5.1.1 YouTube app.

I really wish iOS 6 wasn't more of a downgrade than upgrade. This is the first iOS release in two years that I have skipped. iOS 4 was a major improvement with "multitasking" capability. iOS 5 added the notification center which was also a major improvement IMHO. iOS 6 should really have been called iOS 5.5 (or perhaps iOS 4.9.9).

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