In the 2011-12 fiscal year, the village issued 8,090 red-light camera violations, out of the 11,374 that camera vendor RedSpeed sent to the village. Of the violations issued by the village, 737 were contested, either by mail or at in-person hearings, and 295 of the drivers were found not to be liable.
The Lake in the Hills camera brought in $5,136 through the first four months of the year. The money goes into the general fund.
Most of the violations are cut and dry, because the village only tickets people who go straight through a red light or turn left when the left-turn arrow is red.
“Right-turn violations don’t cause a phenomenal amount of serious accidents as straight-through violations and left-turn violations do,” Wales said.
The reason they ignore the right turn on red violators is because the right turn takes you into Costco and Lowes, probably 2 of Lake In the Hills biggest sales tax generators. Yea, it's about the money and they don't want to discourage people from shopping there.
-- If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
The reason they ignore the right turn on red violators is because the right turn takes you into Costco and Lowes, probably 2 of Lake In the Hills biggest sales tax generators. Yea, it's about the money and they don't want to discourage people from shopping there.
Most of the cameras are in high pedestrians areas or high speed traffic area. If you think paying a couple hundreds dollars is expensive, wait until you hit some pedestrians or t-bone a car on a green light. you will see which is cheaper.
I'm confused. Are people upset about the red light cameras? I mean, clearly it's very dangerous to run red lights. Pretty simple solution... don't do it. If you do, have a very good reason and protest the ticket.
-- "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
I could sell or dis the idea of red light cameras, but I am surprised to learn they may include right on red violations. I suppose it makes some sense at high density intersections during the busy hours of the day, in much the same way as school zones are regulated. At 4AM, probably not needed, for example.
Never had a problem with the cameras, but being aware saves tickets and promotes safety. Another good reason to to visit POI Factory and stay updated.
I could sell or dis the idea of red light cameras, but I am surprised to learn they may include right on red violations. I suppose it makes some sense at high density intersections during the busy hours of the day, in much the same way as school zones are regulated. At 4AM, probably not needed, for example.
Never had a problem with the cameras, but being aware saves tickets and promotes safety. Another good reason to to visit POI Factory and stay updated.
The issue around RLC isn't so much that they take pictures and citations are issued, it's about the belief that when the law states you must come to a stop before proceeding people want to argue that it isn't always needed. It comes down to should the law be enforced if it's 4 AM and there's no traffic or should it only be enforced during certain hours or whatever excuse may be generated. It comes down to a question of judgement, and the person receiving the citation almost always feels it wasn't justified in their case even though the law didn't provide the exception they felt they deserved.
Most of the cameras are in high pedestrians areas or high speed traffic area. If you think paying a couple hundreds dollars is expensive, wait until you hit some pedestrians or t-bone a car on a green light. you will see which is cheaper.
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It comes down to a question of judgement, and the person receiving the citation almost always feels it wasn't justified in their case even though the law didn't provide the exception they felt they deserved.
I will add that some seem to feel that anything that restricts their "right" to make the "judgement" call is unconstitutional governmental interference.
This specific red light camera intersection is not in a heavily pedestrian traffic area. Yes, they have sidewalks, but they're generally not used. I checked google street view to see if there were any pedestrians photographed, and there were not. I even moved down the street on street view, and did not see one person. Anyone from the area would probably agree that most transportation is done in a vehicle.
This particular intersection is a T-bone, with the camera being located at the lower part of the T. There is no way to run a red light by going straight through the intersection. The ONLY tickets being issued are for rolling rights.
Fox River Grove has a population of 5,000. It's a very small village. To bring in $500,000 in one year is outrageous.
A friend of mine told me that someone she knows got two tickets from that intersection. Even if you stop properly, at the line, completely, and for 3 seconds, you still get a ticket. Do I know if this is true or not? I'll put it this way, I didn't see the video. Do I believe my friend? Absolutely.
I've been tempted to observe that intersection. I want to see how many pedestrians are in peril. I want to see how many people are not coming to a complete, full, and absolute stop. I want to see how many of these rolling rights are reckless, and dangerous. Or if we're just talking the tires on the cars don't stop moving, but otherwise, the intersection was observed and determined to be safe to proceed for both pedestrians and other vehicles.
In Washington State you get a ticket even if you are turning right without complete stop for 3 seconds.
the camera is not for safety anymore it is a revenue.
Spent three days in the area 2 yrs ago. Figured very quickly to drive through that entire area on cruise control, on the money (speed limit). Had a local actually trail me for about 2 miles till he became bored. McHenry County Ill. is actually one of the reason's I decided to buy a Nuvi months later.
...it's not the motorist who receives the ticket. It is the registered owner of the vehicle.
Not sure why reporters choose to overlook this basic fact.
I would wager that most registered owners are the operators... and, if not, they know who is operating their vehicle. It's also not the motorist who receives a parking ticket... it is the registered owner... so, we're okay with that???
-- "For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
Again, to be clear....it is NOT the motorist who receives the ticket. It is the registered owner.
Misinterpreting simple and basic facts for the sake of brevity and simplicity is a disservice to the community being covered.
Considering the amount of: corporate vehicles, public vehicles, rental cars, company owned and shared vehicles....No. I have no idea if "most" drivers are the owners. Nor do you!
But, am I now my brothers keeper? Am I now REQUIRED to produce the operators name or otherwise suffer penalty and harm for their actions?
If someone forgets to put money in a parking meter then, yes, it becomes the vehicle, itself, that is in violation. Anyone - the last driver, the registered owner, a good samaritan, a passer-by, literally anyone with a quarter, could put money in the meter and stay the violation.
When a vehicle runs a red light it is a clear and obvious violation by the operator of the vehicle - not the vehicle itself. No one else could have executed (or stopped) the violation other than the operator.
To put it another way....any person who walks the planet with a quarter in their pocket could stay a parking violation. Therefore the parking violation must be placed on the vehicle itself......But, only the actual operator of the vehicle can stay a red-light violation.
To take the point even further....at least the owner operator has an opportunity to stay a parking violation and ride along with the operator/motorist and pay any parking meter before the violation occurs. In a moving vehicle the ride-along owner has no direct control over the operator/motorist to stay the violation - other than grabbing the wheel from the passenger's side and exposing themselves to extreme harm.
The only remedy from harm and wrongful penalty the owner has is to collect and forfeit the name of the operator to the state. Essentially, turning everyone into "patsies" and evidence collectors for the state.
I think anyone who says a RLC ticket is the same as a parking ticket has just read that somewhere and took it in blind obedience without really thinking it through.
When a vehicle runs a red light it is a clear and obvious violation by the operator of the vehicle - not the vehicle itself. No one else could have executed (or stopped) the violation other than the operator.
The owner of the vehicle can "stay" any violation by another person by keeping personal control of all of the keys to the vehicle.
That is likely why proving that the vehicle was stolen is a defense.
When you rent a vehicle nowadays, you sign an agreement that states any 'vehicular' violations accrued during your possession will be paid by you, the renter, even if you permit someone else to drive the thing.
Ask me how I know.
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When you rent a vehicle nowadays, you sign an agreement that states any 'vehicular' violations accrued during your possession will be paid by you, the renter, even if you permit someone else to drive the thing.
This subject will never die, no matter what anyone here tells you. I have red light camera here and I haven't got a ticket once. OH, maybe because I stop at Red Lights, shame on me for stopping. Could we talk about other stuff because poeople will never be happy with RLC and the way they operate.
This subject will never die, no matter what anyone here tells you. I have red light camera here and I haven't got a ticket once. OH, maybe because I stop at Red Lights, shame on me for stopping. Could we talk about other stuff because poeople will never be happy with RLC and the way they operate.
Lets move on, please.
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Found these statistics to be interesting
In the 2011-12 fiscal year, the village issued 8,090 red-light camera violations, out of the 11,374 that camera vendor RedSpeed sent to the village. Of the violations issued by the village, 737 were contested, either by mail or at in-person hearings, and 295 of the drivers were found not to be liable.
Another interesting statistic
The Lake in the Hills camera brought in $5,136 through the first four months of the year. The money goes into the general fund.
Most of the violations are cut and dry, because the village only tickets people who go straight through a red light or turn left when the left-turn arrow is red.
“Right-turn violations don’t cause a phenomenal amount of serious accidents as straight-through violations and left-turn violations do,” Wales said.
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At that intersection
The reason they ignore the right turn on red violators is because the right turn takes you into Costco and Lowes, probably 2 of Lake In the Hills biggest sales tax generators. Yea, it's about the money and they don't want to discourage people from shopping there.
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
Excellent opinion in my opinion
http://www.nwherald.com/2012/06/07/our-view-red-light-camera...
Probably right!
The reason they ignore the right turn on red violators is because the right turn takes you into Costco and Lowes, probably 2 of Lake In the Hills biggest sales tax generators. Yea, it's about the money and they don't want to discourage people from shopping there.
LOL... that's probably correct.
location, location, location...
Most of the cameras are in high pedestrians areas or high speed traffic area. If you think paying a couple hundreds dollars is expensive, wait until you hit some pedestrians or t-bone a car on a green light. you will see which is cheaper.
Soooo...
I'm confused. Are people upset about the red light cameras? I mean, clearly it's very dangerous to run red lights. Pretty simple solution... don't do it. If you do, have a very good reason and protest the ticket.
"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
Right Turn on Red during certain times of day
I could sell or dis the idea of red light cameras, but I am surprised to learn they may include right on red violations. I suppose it makes some sense at high density intersections during the busy hours of the day, in much the same way as school zones are regulated. At 4AM, probably not needed, for example.
Never had a problem with the cameras, but being aware saves tickets and promotes safety. Another good reason to to visit POI Factory and stay updated.
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but that's the issue
I could sell or dis the idea of red light cameras, but I am surprised to learn they may include right on red violations. I suppose it makes some sense at high density intersections during the busy hours of the day, in much the same way as school zones are regulated. At 4AM, probably not needed, for example.
Never had a problem with the cameras, but being aware saves tickets and promotes safety. Another good reason to to visit POI Factory and stay updated.
The issue around RLC isn't so much that they take pictures and citations are issued, it's about the belief that when the law states you must come to a stop before proceeding people want to argue that it isn't always needed. It comes down to should the law be enforced if it's 4 AM and there's no traffic or should it only be enforced during certain hours or whatever excuse may be generated. It comes down to a question of judgement, and the person receiving the citation almost always feels it wasn't justified in their case even though the law didn't provide the exception they felt they deserved.
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Good Observation
Most of the cameras are in high pedestrians areas or high speed traffic area. If you think paying a couple hundreds dollars is expensive, wait until you hit some pedestrians or t-bone a car on a green light. you will see which is cheaper.
That is true
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It comes down to a question of judgement, and the person receiving the citation almost always feels it wasn't justified in their case even though the law didn't provide the exception they felt they deserved.
I will add that some seem to feel that anything that restricts their "right" to make the "judgement" call is unconstitutional governmental interference.
Know your Intersection
This specific red light camera intersection is not in a heavily pedestrian traffic area. Yes, they have sidewalks, but they're generally not used. I checked google street view to see if there were any pedestrians photographed, and there were not. I even moved down the street on street view, and did not see one person. Anyone from the area would probably agree that most transportation is done in a vehicle.
This particular intersection is a T-bone, with the camera being located at the lower part of the T. There is no way to run a red light by going straight through the intersection. The ONLY tickets being issued are for rolling rights.
Fox River Grove has a population of 5,000. It's a very small village. To bring in $500,000 in one year is outrageous.
A friend of mine told me that someone she knows got two tickets from that intersection. Even if you stop properly, at the line, completely, and for 3 seconds, you still get a ticket. Do I know if this is true or not? I'll put it this way, I didn't see the video. Do I believe my friend? Absolutely.
I've been tempted to observe that intersection. I want to see how many pedestrians are in peril. I want to see how many people are not coming to a complete, full, and absolute stop. I want to see how many of these rolling rights are reckless, and dangerous. Or if we're just talking the tires on the cars don't stop moving, but otherwise, the intersection was observed and determined to be safe to proceed for both pedestrians and other vehicles.
In Washington State you get
In Washington State you get a ticket even if you are turning right without complete stop for 3 seconds.
the camera is not for safety anymore it is a revenue.
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People need to stop whining, and (re)learn how to drive properly again.
No sympathy from me.
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McHenry County inspired me to buy a Nuvi!
Spent three days in the area 2 yrs ago. Figured very quickly to drive through that entire area on cruise control, on the money (speed limit). Had a local actually trail me for about 2 miles till he became bored. McHenry County Ill. is actually one of the reason's I decided to buy a Nuvi months later.
Yep...
People need to stop whining, and (re)learn how to drive properly again.
No sympathy from me.
...I agree with you.
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To be clear....
...it's not the motorist who receives the ticket. It is the registered owner of the vehicle.
Not sure why reporters choose to overlook this basic fact.
Overlooked
...it's not the motorist who receives the ticket. It is the registered owner of the vehicle.
Not sure why reporters choose to overlook this basic fact.
I would wager that most registered owners are the operators... and, if not, they know who is operating their vehicle. It's also not the motorist who receives a parking ticket... it is the registered owner... so, we're okay with that???
"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
No E.R. Morrow
Again, to be clear....it is NOT the motorist who receives the ticket. It is the registered owner.
Misinterpreting simple and basic facts for the sake of brevity and simplicity is a disservice to the community being covered.
Considering the amount of: corporate vehicles, public vehicles, rental cars, company owned and shared vehicles....No. I have no idea if "most" drivers are the owners. Nor do you!
But, am I now my brothers keeper? Am I now REQUIRED to produce the operators name or otherwise suffer penalty and harm for their actions?
If someone forgets to put money in a parking meter then, yes, it becomes the vehicle, itself, that is in violation. Anyone - the last driver, the registered owner, a good samaritan, a passer-by, literally anyone with a quarter, could put money in the meter and stay the violation.
When a vehicle runs a red light it is a clear and obvious violation by the operator of the vehicle - not the vehicle itself. No one else could have executed (or stopped) the violation other than the operator.
To put it another way....any person who walks the planet with a quarter in their pocket could stay a parking violation. Therefore the parking violation must be placed on the vehicle itself......But, only the actual operator of the vehicle can stay a red-light violation.
To take the point even further....at least the owner operator has an opportunity to stay a parking violation and ride along with the operator/motorist and pay any parking meter before the violation occurs. In a moving vehicle the ride-along owner has no direct control over the operator/motorist to stay the violation - other than grabbing the wheel from the passenger's side and exposing themselves to extreme harm.
The only remedy from harm and wrongful penalty the owner has is to collect and forfeit the name of the operator to the state. Essentially, turning everyone into "patsies" and evidence collectors for the state.
I think anyone who says a RLC ticket is the same as a parking ticket has just read that somewhere and took it in blind obedience without really thinking it through.
Stay the violation
When a vehicle runs a red light it is a clear and obvious violation by the operator of the vehicle - not the vehicle itself. No one else could have executed (or stopped) the violation other than the operator.
The owner of the vehicle can "stay" any violation by another person by keeping personal control of all of the keys to the vehicle.
That is likely why proving that the vehicle was stolen is a defense.
Re: Car Rentals
When you rent a vehicle nowadays, you sign an agreement that states any 'vehicular' violations accrued during your possession will be paid by you, the renter, even if you permit someone else to drive the thing.
Ask me how I know.
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Should I ask or shouldn't I??
When you rent a vehicle nowadays, you sign an agreement that states any 'vehicular' violations accrued during your possession will be paid by you, the renter, even if you permit someone else to drive the thing.
Ask me how I know.
Let me see...I bet I know.
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This keeps on going
This subject will never die, no matter what anyone here tells you. I have red light camera here and I haven't got a ticket once. OH, maybe because I stop at Red Lights, shame on me for stopping. Could we talk about other stuff because poeople will never be happy with RLC and the way they operate.
Lets move on, please.
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censorship
This subject will never die, no matter what anyone here tells you. I have red light camera here and I haven't got a ticket once. OH, maybe because I stop at Red Lights, shame on me for stopping. Could we talk about other stuff because poeople will never be happy with RLC and the way they operate.
Lets move on, please.
Did someone died and made you the moderator? You don't like the subject skip over it and you move on.
Just because a subject doesn’t interest you is no reason to drop it and not talk about it.
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