An experience not to be forgotten

 

I use my 660 almost everyday, for traffic info, to and from work. (I know the way to work after 11 yrs there. It's 36.8 miles one-way without detours and 95% is on the Interstate) The traffic info has saved me many an hour of being stuck.

In another thread:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/36347

I described my problem with installing the 2013.10 North America maps on my Nuvi 660. The maps would install, but when the USB cord was unplugged, the unit would boot with an errror message "Can't unlock maps". Very frustrating, as it was almost a "Brick" with out the maps functioning. I thought it was the wrong unlock code, but it wasn't that at all.

First I emailed Garmin, explaining my problem and stating that I was able to revert back to an earlier map, so all was not lost. I received an email back telling me to try another install as the unlock code was correct and did contain 25 characters (I already knew that my assumption about the number of characters was wrong - it just looked that way on the Garmin web page). She included a new "gmapprom.unl" file to use after the install. I knew it would fail, as I had already tried 3 times and had tried this before. But, knowing the help desk folks have to go through their "list", I did it. It failed as expected and I reverted back to the earlier map. I emailed back with the bad news.

The next email from Garmin was from another Tech stating that I really needed to call them, as this could probably be resolved much quicker over the phone.

So, I called on Thursday after work and waited on hold for about 15 minutes. I talked to Rita and after we went over all the steps that I did, she said I needed to talk to a "Software Specialist". Well, I was in the middle of another map D/L and my cable modem kept dropping out and I had to keep resetting it, so she suggested that she call me back in 2 hours (55 mins left for D/L, according to panel). She would then transfer me over to that department.

The D/L completed and since there was an hour left, I decided to try to get a new modem installed that had arrived that day. Got it all hooked up, called Cox Cable and guess what? The model I ordered was not compatible with Cox! They supported Cisco, but not that exact model. The tech tried loading other models in the configuration, but no tickey-puck. That ticked me off as one would think they would add new modem models as they came out (FYI - Comcast supports that model). I give him credit, he kept his cool when I started cussing. Got the old modem back inline and as we are verifying it, the call waiting beeps. Could not get to it soon enough.

15 minutes later Garmin called back and I apologized to Rita about what happened. No problem, but now there is a 15 minute wait instead of a 0 minute wait, Oh well.

In about 10 minutes, Joe picks up the call. After I explained all that had happened and we tried a few things, he asked if he could "Remote" in to my PC, as it would go much quicker. I agreed and we made the connection.

To make a long story short: It seems that the Map Install program had registry errors causing problems, as well as the maps missing some files. Joe fixed all thie problems and BINGO!!! He tried just a partial load (only New England) and it worked. I thanked him profusely, as I could have probably figured it out myself, although who knows how long it would have taken.

I was on the phone with Joe about 2 hrs. Not once did he act aloof or impatient. He was knowlegeable and thorough in his diagnosis. He concluded that the modem was the cause. The "drops" were causing the incomplete D/Ls of the map and the registry errors could have been caused by that or just another Windows problem.

At any rate, I now have up to date maps and a new modem that works (bought a Motorola at Best Buy yesterday and I made sure it was on the Cox "List" online).

I just wanted to let folks know that Garmin does have good people working in the product support group. It seems that you only hear about the "bad" experiences here. Or, at least that's what stands out the most and sticks in your memory.

This is the first major problem that I have had with my 660, except for the "Lifetime" license key problem when they first started the Lifetime program - but everybody had that problem and they fixed it rather quickly.

I have been very pleased with my Garmin and I will buy another one, when this one decides to "give up the ghost". It will have a cradle mount, Lifetime maps and Lifetime traffic.

A note to Garmin management:
I had a "Good" experience with the support folks. This is what builds "Brand Loyalty". The Bells and Whistles are not as important as quality product and quality support.

Remember: People that have had a "Bad" experience usually are the ones that "Vent" the loudest and more often.

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

Good to hear good

It's good to hear good things about Garmin's Tech support.

I've only had a positive experiences ... but know how frustrating it can be for others who have negative experience.

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Garmin 205, 260W, 1450LMT, 2460LMT, HEREwego for iPhone ... all still mapping strong.

on customer experience

metricman wrote:

I had a "Good" experience with the support folks. This is what builds "Brand Loyalty". The Bells and Whistles are not as important as quality product and quality support.

Remember: People that have had a "Bad" experience usually are the ones that "Vent" the loudest and more often.

What you state is pretty much true about the customer experience. A customer with a bad experience will tell ten people where a customer with a good experience will only offer their experience once.

Great report.

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Illiterate? Write for free help.

We really do need to hear about good experiances!

Not just the bad ones, and not just Garmin.
Glad you got that sorted out. And yes, dropped connections will cause havoc. Even very slow connections can create issues also.

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Nuvi 2460LMT.

Usually not a problem

pwohlrab wrote:

Not just the bad ones, and not just Garmin.
Glad you got that sorted out. And yes, dropped connections will cause havoc. Even very slow connections can create issues also.

Well, back in the days of Dial-up modems it always meant you had to start all over again.

It's much improved, but not flawless, as I've found out.

The new modem has not dropped out once, since it's been connected, thank goodness!

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

And remember...

metricman wrote:

I I have been very pleased with my Garmin and I will buy another one, when this one decides to "give up the ghost". It will have a cradle mount, Lifetime maps and Lifetime traffic.

A note to Garmin management:
I had a "Good" experience with the support folks. This is what builds "Brand Loyalty". The Bells and Whistles are not as important as quality product and quality support.

Remember: People that have had a "Bad" experience usually are the ones that "Vent" the loudest and more often.

the call was free...they paid for the long distance, and they helped. I never have had a problem with them...they are very nice to deal with!

Glad your problem ws taken care of!

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"Backward, turn backward, oh time in your flight, make me a child again, just for tonight."

Me too

jmkthird wrote:

the call was free...they paid for the long distance, and they helped. I never have had a problem with them...they are very nice to deal with!

Glad your problem ws taken care of!

Me too, as it was not caused by anything they did wrong.

Again, THANKS to Joe for rectifying the problem.

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

I always had

great results with Garmin Tech, always helpful.

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3790LMT; 2595LMT; 3590LMT, 60LMTHD

Thanks For Sharing

Good write up about your experience and praising Garmin for resolving. I too have only had good experiences with support the few times I used it.

Obviously your modem was the cause of the 2013.10 map download being corrupted. Was there no indication prior to that of issues with the modem dropping out?

I'm surprised that in fact it did install the map albeit in a corrupt form

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

An afterthought

rthibodaux wrote:

great results with Garmin Tech, always helpful.

You know, you have to wonder if the people that have bad experiences actually cause the "Bad Experience" themselves, by having a "Bad Attitude" when they call.

They call up all POed and make it hard for the Tech on the other end from the gitgo. Not the way to do it.

When you call, you should be just as patient as you can be. Most times, they have to go through a set routine to verify that you did all the right steps, and so on.

I troubleshoot computer CAD problems all the time at work. I can't count the number of times that a user swore that they are doing something correctly, but when you walk them through the steps - turns out they missed one. The responses vary from "Oh, I didn't know that" to the "It always worked this way before. You guys must have changed the software again.". Of course, that's why we HAVE to put everything in procedures and keep them updated.

Give the support techs a break, they have a tough job. Why should you make it harder?

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

Had problem for a while

muell9k wrote:

Good write up about your experience and praising Garmin for resolving. I too have only had good experiences with support the few times I used it.

Obviously your modem was the cause of the 2013.10 map download being corrupted. Was there no indication prior to that of issues with the modem dropping out?

I'm surprised that in fact it did install the map albeit in a corrupt form

This has been going on for months. Before, the dropouts only occured when there was more than one user accessing the internet through the modem.

This last week it got to the point where Mailwasher (or any automatic "check for updates" program) would access the modem to check for mail every 10 minutes and I was downloading video clips or other large files. It would dropout constantly. That's why I had ordered a new modem.

Well, it seems to be fixed now. Lesson learned - when it starts to go bad, fix it then or pay more later!

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

Garmin Tech Support

cbwatts wrote:

It's good to hear good things about Garmin's Tech support.

I've only had a positive experiences ... but know how frustrating it can be for others who have negative experience.

I've sent Garmin three problem reports.

In two of them, their only solution is to do a hard reset, which did not fix the problem. I figured out how to fix it, then told them what I did. I did not get so much as a thank you from them.

In the third, which was the disappearance of my free initial cyclops RLC file, they said they did not know of any RLC file, and the only way I could get RLC support was to pay them their price. Luckily I had backed up my device. When I sent them the name of the file, they said they found it a test device they had, but would not send it to me.

So, I've had only negative experiences with them.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Garmin support - email vs phone

David, a lot of users have had bad experiences with Garmin support when contacting them via e-mail or the online form. It seems Garmin gives far better support via direct phone contact. I am not making excuses for them, just reporting what I have observed in this and other forums.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

OK

alandb wrote:

David, a lot of users have had bad experiences with Garmin support when contacting them via e-mail or the online form. It seems Garmin gives far better support via direct phone contact. I am not making excuses for them, just reporting what I have observed in this and other forums.

Glad to hear that. Thanks. I'll try that the next time.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Thanks to metricman

for reporting what happened.

All too often, something gets fixed and we never learn anything from the experience.

OK, OK

jgermann wrote:

for reporting what happened.

All too often, something gets fixed and we never learn anything from the experience.

I hear you....

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Garmin Support - It Works..

In this part of the world we have to talk with Garmin Australia. On 3 occasions I've found them pretty much to the point (as in crisp)but things happen. That's all I can ask, or want.

Garmin support

I have had good experiences with phone support. Email support has been hit & miss. On two occasions I have mailed a thank you card to Garmin, mentioning the CSR by name.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

Good Experience

Glad to hear the positives about Garmin. I doubt many write the good stuff here. Glad to see your 660 is still running and that Garmin would help you out with such an older model. My daughter is still using her old 680.

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Larry - Nuvi 680, Nuvi 1690, Nuvi 2797LMT

Thanks for sharing your

Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Good experiences

Sounds good. That was a lot of support for an old unit involving something that turns out not to be their fault whatsoever.

Another vote here for hearing about good experiences with companies too. I've only had a few minor issues for Garmin support and the issues were resolved quickly and professionally.

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Drivesmart 66, Nuvi 2595LMT (Died), Nuvi 1490T (Died), Nuvi 260 (Died), GPSMAP 195

Garmin CS Experience

I've had to call Garmin Support a few times, and each time I had a very good experience with good techs.

I figured out it's best to call the first thing in the morning to avoid the long wait.

Thanks for sharing.

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Nuvi 765T, Nuvi 2350LMT

Always glad to hear good

Always glad to hear good news thanks for sharing