Alert only from the right direction - possible?

 

Being new POI user, I'm wondering, is it possible to have red camera POI to give the warning only when I approach from the right direction? I often see intersections with not 4 but 2 cameras, but all alerts I've seen so far sound when approaching from any of the 4.

Not Possible

At this time it is not possible. It will probably be done in the future.

dobs108 smile

Don't think this is possible

Don't think this is possible as the POI files only give proximity... Not direction that you are travelling in.

Others might be able to shed some more light but I believe it cannot be done.

Good luck.

What's

vrapp wrote:

Being new POI user, I'm wondering, is it possible to have red camera POI to give the warning only when I approach from the right direction? I often see intersections with not 4 but 2 cameras, but all alerts I've seen so far sound when approaching from any of the 4.

What's the point? It wouldn't be correct anyways. I've seen intersections where its really hard to tell what lane the Camera is pointing at. I've seen them go off when they are on the north east corner for vehicles coming from the south west. You have no idea where those dumb things are pointing from one minute to the next. Those cameras are movable inside the box where I live. I wouldn't want things changed in the red light Camera files.

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Please explain...

vrapp wrote:

Being new POI user, I'm wondering, is it possible to have red camera POI to give the warning only when I approach from the right direction? I often see intersections with not 4 but 2 cameras, but all alerts I've seen so far sound when approaching from any of the 4.

Sorry but I don't understand the question. What is the right direction? At an intersection with four incoming streets aren't all directions covered by the cameras? At least all that I have seen are. Are you saying only two of the incoming entrances are covered?

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Technically it's possible

vrapp wrote:

Being new POI user, I'm wondering, is it possible to have red camera POI to give the warning only when I approach from the right direction? I often see intersections with not 4 but 2 cameras, but all alerts I've seen so far sound when approaching from any of the 4.

It's possible, but not with the file formats published on this site. The compiled Garmin format (GPI) does support direction but the CSV and GPX formats do not. I believe it is also possible in the Tom-Tom units, but I don't have information on those.

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Sometimes

Sometimes it covers only one turn lane, sometimes 2 straight lanes. Haven't seen one that covers 3 lanes yet. That's from my experience where I live.

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Lets

@Box Car

Lets no go there Box Car. I would be very unhappy if things were changed. Like i said above, they are movable inside that box where I live and i've seen them change the direction.

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Here on Long Island

Speed2 wrote:

Sometimes it covers only one turn lane, sometimes 2 straight lanes. Haven't seen one that covers 3 lanes yet. That's from my experience where I live.

They cover all lanes in that particular direction, from left turn arrow across all 5 to the right turn lane/shoulder...

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I'm working on a directional POI

Speed2 wrote:

@Box Car

Lets no go there Box Car. I would be very unhappy if things were changed.

so I can avoid the laundry room.

Sox Car

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Did you

camerabob wrote:
Speed2 wrote:

Sometimes it covers only one turn lane, sometimes 2 straight lanes. Haven't seen one that covers 3 lanes yet. That's from my experience where I live.

They cover all lanes in that particular direction, from left turn arrow across all 5 to the right turn lane/shoulder...

Did you read where I said "That's from my experience where I live"? That's my whole point. They are NOT all the same. I know what they do where i live because I work for the Provincial Government. I also know that they remove them. I know also that not all boxes have Camera's in them at all times AND I know they have changed the direction of them to shoot West one day and then shoot North the next.

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I did read.

Speed2 wrote:

Did you read where I said "That's from my experience where I live"? That's my whole point. They are NOT all the same. I know what they do where i live because I work for the Provincial Government. I also know that they remove them. I know also that not all boxes have Camera's in them at all times AND I know they have changed the direction of them to shoot West one day and then shoot North the next.

Simply posted how they work here.... Wow jumpy today. wink

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I'm not

Box Car wrote:
Speed2 wrote:

@Box Car

Lets no go there Box Car. I would be very unhappy if things were changed.

so I can avoid the laundry room.

Sox Car

I'm not sure what to say about that. But I do see your getting used to your new Nick. You could do this>

Box Car (aka Sox Car)

Best of both worlds razz

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You

camerabob wrote:
Speed2 wrote:

Did you read where I said "That's from my experience where I live"? That's my whole point. They are NOT all the same. I know what they do where i live because I work for the Provincial Government. I also know that they remove them. I know also that not all boxes have Camera's in them at all times AND I know they have changed the direction of them to shoot West one day and then shoot North the next.

Simply posted how they work here.... Wow jumpy today. wink

You are absolutely correct, I did not read your subject heading. My apologies. redface

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Accepted.

YAY! We can now play in the sand box together! That was easy...

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Alert Only From The Right Direction = Possible

Using Extra_POI_Editor to create gpi files with"circle list" this is possible

https://sites.google.com/site/odingpsm/circles

Don't

camerabob wrote:

YAY! We can now play in the sand box together! That was easy...

Don't be starting something now. Your going to give Box Car a complex. Read above where he already signed a post as Sox Car. We certainly don't want him to think he can come out of the Laundry room now and go play in the Sand Box. We have to be careful with those 2 words "Box and Car" wink

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Not sure we should have directional POIs

Just because it will be possible to make directional POIs work does not mean that we should do it. The Red Light Cameras are constantly changing. We are doing a good job of tracking locations only. It will be more difficult to track which directions are monitored.

In my area of Nassau and Suffolk Counties NY, the number of camera locations is limited by state law, but they can add cameras to intersections which only have one or two directions covered now. Perhaps they needed to dig a trench across a state road or some other practical reason, and this was put off. It will be done eventually and the new camera will be hard for us to discover.

The small number of alerts I get when my lane isn't really monitored is no problem for me.

Do you realize how valuable the current Red Light Camera file is? This afternoon, I-495, the Long Island Expressway, was closed for hours after an accident. Adjacent roads were a nightmare! I travelled on State Route 25 from William Floyd Parkway 15 miles West to Commack in a stopped traffic jam! There are at least 10 Red Light Cameras on this route and believe me, they were rakin' the bucks in!!

dobs108 shock

I've seen the two camera .....

I've seen the two camera intersections as well in Cherry Hill, NJ. One facing west and one north. I really don't see how they could be turned another direction in this particular case. They are some 15 feet or more before the intersection. Turn the west facing one north all it's going to see is the building on the corner.

I've also seen RLC controlled intersections not cover every lane. Roosevelt Blvd. in Philadelphia PA has quite a few and none of the turning lanes from the Blvd are covered. Not only can you tell from the direction the camera is pointing but there are no cuts in the pavement where the trigger sensors were put when they were installed.

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Not always

farrissr wrote:

At an intersection with four incoming streets aren't all directions covered by the cameras? At least all that I have seen are. Are you saying only two of the incoming entrances are covered?

Not all intersections have cameras covering all 4 directions - there are a number here on Long Island in which only two (say east and west bound) have cameras, and the other two (north and south bound) don't. I've seen some where three of four corners have the camera, especially where that fourth side is a small, infrequently used, side street. There is even one intersection I pass frequently that only has a camera in one direction, the other three directions are camera-less.

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To those who don't see the point

If certain cameras are changing, or when it's unclear what they cover, then such cameras would be reported with unspecified/all directions. But around where I live, there are several cameras that have very stationary positions and are looking at the very particular lanes, and those lanes are just one or two direction out of 4. For these cameras, I think it would make perfect sense to specify that they cover only what they cover.

We are reporting in POI files the best information we have anyways, so when we have more information, it probably makes sense to report it, if that's possible.

I did that

vrapp wrote:

We are reporting in POI files the best information we have anyways, so when we have more information, it probably makes sense to report it, if that's possible.

When Nassau and Suffolk counties were installing RLCs the past couple of years, I did report if the cameras didn't cover all directions of an intersection. I *think* Miss POI might have looked at including that information in the file, but I don't see it. Since the standard CSV file can't differentiate that anyway, it probably wasn't worth the work, but that's just supposition on my part.

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Directional alerts

vestenfjell wrote:

Using Extra_POI_Editor to create gpi files with"circle list" this is possible

https://sites.google.com/site/odingpsm/circles

vestenfjell is right! Using EPE, you can program a circle list within the proximity distance. If you pass through the circle before the POI coordinate, this will create an alarm. If you pass by the POI coordinates before crossing the circle, it will not.

The funny part: Garmin also implemented "Angles" which would do exactly what has been asked in post #1. It is supported by the .gpi standard, but not by any GPS known to date (so I am told).

crop circles?

Can it be done? sure, will it be done? doubt it, the POI-Factory RLC file has 3865 intersections and growing weekly, I much doubt JM has the time to go back at each intersection to draw circles; that is assuming he had the directional information needed.

Most of the intersections in the file came from information published in local papers and a great number did not include the direction of travel the RLC was going to be pointed, of the ones I have seen in my local papers it was just a list of RLC at so & so location.

As far as I’m concerned knowing there is a RLC coming up at the next intersection is sufficient for my needs since I don’t make it a habit of running red lights, knowing one is there just makes me cautious of right on red and stopping behind the white line.

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I sure hope by time this discussion about red light camera directions is over, everything stays as it is.
I rely on them, and where I live they twist them to point in another direction. Saves money and catches people off guard. For myself, I really don't care what side they are on and where they face. All i want to know, is where they are. The way we do this now is safe for every one. Slow down a bit when the Alarm goes off and make sure your across the intersection in time. Couple of extra seconds aren't going to kill you.
What you are asking might end up costing others and myself money. question

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Working on a tone detector circuit that will trigger my James Bond rear rotating license plate mechanism.
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Making 3800 pois directional

Making 3800 pois directional is an enormous work, and
not only making them, but also collect information of them.
Making directional poi are also an accurate work and there is almost impossible to test them all when making them.It will of course also be some misinformation among 3800 points
But I can not understand the fear of having the informasion in the gpx file because PoiLoader can not
use it. Only EPE can create gpi files with circle lists. Dont vant directional alert = use PoiLoader.

The RLC poi should stay as it is.

I would not want to be the person responsible for what direction a camera is pointed let alone what direction it is looking at. The ones I have where I am are pointed in one direction, but I can not tell whether they are taking pictures in north, south, east, or west.
I would rather have an alert they are there so I am cognizant of the right turn and white line.

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Sure, going back to each is

Sure, going back to each is unrealistic; but maybe this could be done in the new ones.

"where I live they twist

"where I live they twist them to point in another direction." - as I said, in that case these cameras would be reported as all-direction. And, as another commenter noted, if you prefer you could use poiloader and load all cameras as all-directional.