MapSource & BaseCamp

 

Has Garmin made things worse with the latest version of MapSource (from other posts I read it is no longer being updated)and carry it over into BaseCamp?

Here is my issue. I have created 4 different routs to get me from hone to Lady Lake Florida. They were all created under a earlier version of MapSource and all that was needed was to add in a couple of way points to get MapSource to calculate the route in the direction I wanted. I then upgraded to the latest MapSource (I think it came out in Oct 2010)and now nothing but problems. If I go in and ask for a recalculation it routes me a different way. I noticed that I had an existing track showing in MapSource do I deleted that but it looks as if the track is still cached as MapSource keeps using the track and I have to install more and more way points than in the previous version I used.

Another issue I have is that MapSource will create one route heading south when I try to invert the route to created a route for the trip north it is different. On the trip heading south it takes me directly through Jacksonville on I-95 while on the inverted trip it takes me on the by-pass to the east. It makes no difference if I use shortest or fastest route in the planning.

While playing around I kept hitting recalculate it gave me different routes and kept calling back to the cached track that was deleted. One route had me drive up a road about 12 miles and do a U-turn and head back to pick up a way point. The only way I could get around this was to keep adding more way points. I even got to the point of rebooting the computer to see if that would totally delete the deleted cached route and it did not. MapSource kept wanting to send me a way I did not want to go.

I next tried to play around with BaseCamp and things there are not much better. The learning curve taken into account I imported the MapSource routes and along with it came the cached route. Again the routes created do not take me the way I want regardless of it being the quickest or shortest.

I wanted to create a route from home to Denver in BaseCamp and the first few miles from home parallel the first part of the Florida routes and that is out of the way for the Denver route. I have to keep adding way points to get to the route I know is the quickest and fastest.

Has Garmin out tricked itself in it's thinking what the end user wants? Is there any to open either MapSource or BaseCamp fresh with no pre existing routs, way points, tracks and most importantly cached information or settings?

To say I am less impressed with the updates to MapSource and now BaseCamp is an understatement.

Mapsource or maps?

Have you updated maps? The routing differences could be tied map versions rather than versions of Mapsource/Basecamp. If you still have your older maps installed, you could try the routes with that mapset.

Getting a different route when you reverse is nothing new. You can find several threads on this and other forums about that.

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Preference Settings

Set Edit>Preferences>Routing>Road Selection in the middle in MapSource, Tools>Options>Activity Profile>Road Selection in BaseCamp with BC. That will calculate similar to how the GPS calculates. Then add waypoints to shape your routes.

Don't get Waypoint crazy when planning a route. Start with just your Start and Destination. Add motels if a multi-day ride, split the route into single day rides. Add waypoint attractions. Then add shaping to each route to your road selections.

I don't understand your comments about MapSource having a cache of waypoints, routes or track logs. It opens up with nothing. BC opens up with however you last left it. Track Logs are not used in routing at all.

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BaseCamp worked better for me that MapSource

I had trouble creating a route for the Blue Ridge Parkway. The problem areas are around Roanoke and Ashville. MapSource refused to stay on the BRP regardless of how many waypoints I put on the route. BaseCamp would stay on the BRP with very few waypoints. On a suggestion from a moderator at GPS Passion, I tried S&T. It might have been a little better than MapSource but was still an issue in the same two places. I don't love the way BaseCamp works (getting points in order is particularly messy) but it did a very good job with this route. I loaded the BaseCamp route for the Ashville area into my 885t and it worked without changes.

I still need to split it up into daily segments and add some POIs for daily start/end points and favorites for the places I will stay.

I think it is worthwhile to learn to use BaseCamp.

Jim

as dave817 says

JimD1 wrote:

I had trouble creating a route for the Blue Ridge Parkway. The problem areas are around Roanoke and Ashville. MapSource refused to stay on the BRP regardless of how many waypoints I put on the route. BaseCamp would stay on the BRP with very few waypoints. On a suggestion from a moderator at GPS Passion, I tried S&T. It might have been a little better than MapSource but was still an issue in the same two places. I don't love the way BaseCamp works (getting points in order is particularly messy) but it did a very good job with this route. I loaded the BaseCamp route for the Ashville area into my 885t and it worked without changes.

I still need to split it up into daily segments and add some POIs for daily start/end points and favorites for the places I will stay.

I think it is worthwhile to learn to use BaseCamp.

Jim

Dave817 wrote:

Set Edit>Preferences>Routing>Road Selection in the middle in MapSource, Tools>Options>Activity Profile>Road Selection in BaseCamp with BC. That will calculate similar to how the GPS calculates.

Playing with the options and the average speeds always works for me. I discovered this trick about a year ago and I have little problems in getting routes to stay on the desired path.

One big helper - the speeds for roads are always lower than suggested. Garmin suggests an average speed of 68 for Interstates. The only way you could AVERAGE 68 would be to travel at 75 or better whenever possible.

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Average speed

Box Car wrote:
JimD1 wrote:

I had trouble creating a route for the Blue Ridge Parkway. The problem areas are around Roanoke and Ashville. MapSource refused to stay on the BRP regardless of how many waypoints I put on the route. BaseCamp would stay on the BRP with very few waypoints. On a suggestion from a moderator at GPS Passion, I tried S&T. It might have been a little better than MapSource but was still an issue in the same two places. I don't love the way BaseCamp works (getting points in order is particularly messy) but it did a very good job with this route. I loaded the BaseCamp route for the Ashville area into my 885t and it worked without changes.

I still need to split it up into daily segments and add some POIs for daily start/end points and favorites for the places I will stay.

I think it is worthwhile to learn to use BaseCamp.

Jim

Dave817 wrote:

Set Edit>Preferences>Routing>Road Selection in the middle in MapSource, Tools>Options>Activity Profile>Road Selection in BaseCamp with BC. That will calculate similar to how the GPS calculates.

Playing with the options and the average speeds always works for me. I discovered this trick about a year ago and I have little problems in getting routes to stay on the desired path.

One big helper - the speeds for roads are always lower than suggested. Garmin suggests an average speed of 68 for Interstates. The only way you could AVERAGE 68 would be to travel at 75 or better whenever possible.

I have always had issues with the avg. speed because it works at what was stated, 7 to 8 mph less than posted speed limits.

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I could be wrong but I think

I could be wrong but I think that average speed does not have anything to do with routing, only the time calculations of when you will arrive.

With respect to making MapSource do what it should, I would love for you to make a route in MapSource starting about where the Blue Ridge Parkway crosses I-26 on the southeast side of Ashville and ending on the other side of Ashville. Two administrators at GPS Passion and I tried this and none of us got it to work. None of the preferences we tried made it work. I did not try varying the average speed but I am pretty sure it is not going to work. Average speed limit on the BRP is 45 mph.

BaseCamp will do this with 3 or 4 waypoints, maybe less. I made no adjustments to preferences.

Jim

Base Camp seems to work OK

As a Mac user I've been using Base Camp for awhile. When I switched to Mac's from PC's several years ago there was a learning curve after using MapSource for so long. However after figuring it out I've been pretty happy with it. Can't say I use it often though, I really don't have much need.

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Mapsource or Maps?

alandb wrote:

Have you updated maps? The routing differences could be tied map versions rather than versions of Mapsource/Basecamp. If you still have your older maps installed, you could try the routes with that mapset.

Getting a different route when you reverse is nothing new. You can find several threads on this and other forums about that.

Both MapSource and BaseCamp have been updated to the latest version. Also City Nav has been updated to 2012.2.

I will so some searching on the reverse route and see what those posts have to say.

Thanks.

Preference Settings

dave817 wrote:

I don't understand your comments about MapSource having a cache of way points, routes or track logs. It opens up with nothing. BC opens up with however you last left it. Track Logs are not used in routing at all.

Last year on the return trip from Lady Lake I drove up to Ocala and then made a right on RT-40 to go over to I-95. This was not the most direct route nor was it the fastest. When I was playing around and tried to create a return route from Lady lake it would take me back up to Ocala and then to RT -40 again. Okay be that way so I set up a way point on RT-25 in hopes MapSource would route me that way. Well it did not. It again went all the way up to Ocala then directed me to take a U-turn and drive all the way back to RT-25 and 441. Same thing happened in the Ocala National Forrest. More way points needed to be added.

I figured that since last years track was present MapSource was using that and NOT truly recalculating things. I deleted last years return track and without the added way points it still wanted to take me to Ocala. A system reboot you would think would clear out things but it did not. I started again trying to create a fresh route and again up to Ocala and out of the way. Add again the way point at Rt-25 and the U-turn happens again.

Now the odd this that really has me stumped is that in earlier versions of MapSource I did not have this issue. I only needed one way point at Rt-40 and I-95 and MapSource took the route I wanted to take all along. Upgraded the programs and now the problems.

I hope that explains it more.

NB & SB BRP MS Routes

JimD1 wrote:

With respect to making MapSource do what it should, I would love for you to make a route in MapSource starting about where the Blue Ridge Parkway crosses I-26 on the southeast side of Ashville and ending on the other side of Ashville. Two administrators at GPS Passion and I tried this and none of us got it to work. None of the preferences we tried made it work. I did not try varying the average speed but I am pretty sure it is not going to work. Average speed limit on the BRP is 45 mph.

BaseCamp will do this with 3 or 4 waypoints, maybe less. I made no adjustments to preferences.

Jim

Huh? I've got 1 viapoint in that section of the BRP. Here's are full NB & SB BRP MapSource routes: http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view...

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Oops.

I forgot you have to join zumoforums to download. We've got some good MS & BC discussions over there. You can get the BRP routes here: http://garmin-mapsource.wikispaces.com/RT-66

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Works as expected for me.

johnju wrote:

Last year on the return trip from Lady Lake I drove up to Ocala and then made a right on RT-40 to go over to I-95. This was not the most direct route nor was it the fastest. When I was playing around and tried to create a return route from Lady lake it would take me back up to Ocala and then to RT -40 again. Okay be that way so I set up a way point on RT-25 in hopes MapSource would route me that way.

I made a route from Lady Lake to Jacksonville. With one waypoint at I-95 N and Ramp, N29.26058 W81.11712, Hwy 25-CR 19-Hwy 40-I95.

That's with Edit>Preferences>Routing>Road Selection in the middle, just like the Zumo recalculates for me and with map data 2012.20.

It does work best to zoom in to 80ft. before setting a via point or waypoint so that you accurately get the point on the proper side of the road, as a divided highway can tell MapSource to make some unusual detours to reach your waypoint.

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