Speed Cameras: I'll have some carrot with that stick, please

 

Volkswagen sponsored a contest to come up with ideas for promoting human behavioral changes using fun-based ideas. The prizewinning entry was to have speed cameras not only ticket speeders as they do now, but to photograph vehicles going at or under the speed limit as well. The difference is that if you're "caught" obeying the law, you get entered into a lottery funded by the speeding fines! http://www.thefuntheory.com/speed-camera-lottery-0.

The video on that page shows a test of the system conducted in Germany that claims an average speed reduction of 22%. I'd certainly have some privacy concerns if something like this were implemented; at the same time, I'm intrigued by the idea of turning the speed camera concept on its head. What are your thoughts?

Nice!

It will never happen here. Because the RLC company and the city will lose money. GREED!!!!

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I love the concept

But agree that it won't work here.

I am sure lawyers would come up with issues to stop it

Privacy Concerns?

I don't see any more concerns about privacy triggered by rewarding people for obeying the law than those triggered by tickets for those who break the law. But I agree with the other two posters, it will never happen here. Red light and speed cameras aren't about traffic safety, they are about generating income for cities. Witness the fact that no effort is made to ticket the person who broke the law, just the person who's car broke the law.

Speed Cameras: I'll have some carrot with that stick, please

A few years ago, I read this article.

http://boingboing.net/2007/12/18/police-ordered-to-pu.html

I'd prefer not being pulled over, even if it's for a reward.

Logic?

jackj180 wrote:

Red light and speed cameras aren't about traffic safety, they are about generating income for cities. Witness the fact that no effort is made to ticket the person who broke the law, just the person who's car broke the law.

I can not see a way to logically infer from the stipulated fact that the ticket is sent to the owner of the vehicle that cameras are for generating income and not for traffic safety.

I have never seen statistics but I am assuming that the majority of cars ticketed are being driven by one of their owners (husband or wife). If you feel that is not the case, can you cite statistics?

I think that Automated Traffic Enforcement serves both safety and revenue generation purposes. It would be better if munucipalities admitted this.

I've seen slow people drive like donkeys

It's more than just speed, but you can't automate stupidity detection....

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So true!

So true!

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Income or safety?

jgermann wrote:
jackj180 wrote:

Red light and speed cameras aren't about traffic safety, they are about generating income for cities. Witness the fact that no effort is made to ticket the person who broke the law, just the person who's car broke the law.

I can not see a way to logically infer from the stipulated fact that the ticket is sent to the owner of the vehicle that cameras are for generating income and not for traffic safety.

How is issuing a ticket to the owner going to change the behaivor of the driver is the driver isn't the one paying the fine?

jgermann wrote:

I have never seen statistics but I am assuming that the majority of cars ticketed are being driven by one of their owners (husband or wife). If you feel that is not the case, can you cite statistics?

Ahh yes, the argument of one who can't defend his position. "Can you cite statistics?" Try to place the burden of proof back on the person with whom you disagree. I can turn that around and ask you, "Can you site statistics that prove the majority of cars ticketed are driven by their owners?"

Actually the number of times it happens or the percent of tickets issued to the wrong person makes no difference. The point of traffic laws and enforcement isn't to generate income, it is to promote safe driving through the use of penalties. Issuing those penalties to the wrong person does NOT achieve this goal.

jgermann wrote:

I think that Automated Traffic Enforcement serves both safety and revenue generation purposes. It would be better if munucipalities admitted this.

Quite a few cities have admitted that the goal of automated traffic enforcement is to generate income. Some cities have even admitted that statics prove that red light cameras don't reduce the total number of accidents but do change the type of accidents.

Never happen

gwapaval wrote:

It will never happen here. Because the RLC company and the city will lose money. GREED!!!!

I agree 100% on that! It will never happen. They would have to give some of that money away.

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Nice...

Can't help them for trying to change a behavior. But as I've learned over the years it's easier to teach some new things then to changed a bad behavior(lead foot).

Interesting

That's very interesting, indeed. And 'out-of-the-box' too, so I like it. We need more thinking like that, imo.

But it can't fly on anything but a very limited basis. Not because of the 'greed' factor (although that's valid in some cases), but because it would demand impractical resources (thought, effort, time, money, etc) on anything but a limited basis.

Think about it- why do we (in general) act more on 'negatives' than 'positives'? Volume vs. resources.

It's only practical on a continuing basis to expend resources on the exceptions (negatives, bad behavior or performance, etc.) than on the rule (positives) especially if your goal is to act on 100% of either.

But, it DOES have a place in some situations, and it's an idea that I might be willing to donate some of my resources (tax money) to.

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I don't think they would

I don't think they would give up the revenue, either

Speed Cameras: I'll have some carrot with that stick, please

VANILLA wrote:

Twix The Boing boing is fine,it' all the vulgarity in the discussions that stinks. I can do without it.

Oh no! I didn't even look at the comments. I'd delete the link if I could, but I can't. I apologize.