Proximity alerts with TourGuide POIs versus "regular" POIs

 

With the help of others on this forum I have learned some important issues regarding the two types of Garmin POIs. I had been frustrated by my POIs not "proximity alerting" when using Topo 2008, and now I understand what was happening. Both types are actually fairly well documented, but the key differences eluded me until recently digging into it, so I thought I would try to document what I have found:

REGULAR POIs are limited in functionality. They can be located anywhere, but if you want a proximity alert the POI MUST BE on the road you are traveling and you MUST BE using a routable map such as City Navigator. Otherwise, no alert. Even POIs on roads will not proximity alert when using a non-routable map such as Garmin Topo 2008, and points off-road will not proximity alert even when using a routable map such as City Navigator. Surprisingly with a GPS that continuously monitors Lat/Lon, regular POIs don't base their proximity alert trigger on the Lat/Lon. The location appears to be defined by location on the routable road grid, so off-grid POIs will not proximity alert. If you want alerts based upon Lat/Lon you need to use TourGuide POIs.

TOURGUIDE POIs are a special type of POI. They can be also be located anywhere, but the proximity alert acts as a cirle around the point which will alert whenever you enter that circle, whether on a road or not. In this case the location actually appears to be defined by the Lat/Lon. (I thought regular POIs acted this way, but they don't) Hence TourGuide POIs are particularly useful for "off-road" alerts and/or when using non-routable maps such as Garmin Topo 2008. Custom alert mp3 files and pictures can be linked to these POIs. Although they are loaded with POI Loader just like "regular POIs", special naming conventions, file types (gpx), and mp3 links are required with these POIs. A Google search of "Garmin TourGuide POI" will yield resources for you on how to create them.

rmartinx wrote: ...mp3 links

rmartinx wrote:

TOURGUIDE POIs are a special type of POI...mp3 links are required with these POIs.

Not really. Only if you want to be alerted by sound. They still work visually as a stand alone.

Depending on your peripheral vision, sound is good, though!

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Thanks

Thanks for the legwork, rmartinx, and for posting it for the rest of us.

And when you wrote:

REGULAR POIs are limited in functionality. They can be located anywhere, but if you want a proximity alert the POI MUST BE on the road you are traveling...

note that even if the POI is along the route and has a driveway from the road to the POI itself, if the POI is set back far enough from the route, it won't alert. This is why TourGuide mode is essential if you use the "schools" POI and want alerts so you'll slow down for upcoming school zones -- and why we all owe such a big thank you to MrKenFL who maintains the "Rest Area Combined" POI file. He has set each rest area's location to be the Exit Ramp for the Rest Area, not to the Rest Area itself. So when routing happily down the highway, the exit ramp will be along your route--and you will get an alert without the need to make the file a TourGuide.

mp3 files with TourGuide POIs

I was unable to get a proximity alert to trigger on a TourGuide POI without a link to an mp3, so I presumed they were mandatory. I had hoped that it would just use a default sound (or even no sound at all), but I got no icon or visual alert until I linked an mp2 sound file. I'll keep experimenting.

rmartinx wrote: ... REGULAR

rmartinx wrote:

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REGULAR POIs are limited in functionality. They can be located anywhere, but if you want a proximity alert the POI MUST BE on the road you are traveling and you MUST BE using a routable map such as City Navigator. Otherwise, no alert...

Sorry, RMARTINX, but I believe you're wrong.
I have a POI file of all of the Rest Areas in Ohio, the closest of which is on I-90 just west of SR 44 in Lake County. When I load the POIs using the POI Loader, I set the proximity alert at three miles (15840 feet).
As I approach I-90 from southbound SR44, the proximity alert triggers because I'm within the three mile radius of the rest area. There is no question about it: the rest area is on I-90 and the proximity alert triggers on SR 44. It acts the same on my new Nuvi 1450 and it did on my old Streetpilot C530.

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Hmm

plunder wrote:
rmartinx wrote:

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REGULAR POIs are limited in functionality. They can be located anywhere, but if you want a proximity alert the POI MUST BE on the road you are traveling and you MUST BE using a routable map such as City Navigator. Otherwise, no alert...

Sorry, RMARTINX, but I believe you're wrong.
I have a POI file of all of the Rest Areas in Ohio, the closest of which is on I-90 just west of SR 44 in Lake County. When I load the POIs using the POI Loader, I set the proximity alert at three miles (15840 feet).
As I approach I-90 from southbound SR44, the proximity alert triggers because I'm within the three mile radius of the rest area. There is no question about it: the rest area is on I-90 and the proximity alert triggers on SR 44. It acts the same on my new Nuvi 1450 and it did on my old Streetpilot C530.

Hmm, I wonder if there's something special about the Ohio rest area file that makes it work as a TourGuide. I use the Rest Areas Combined file (from POI Factory). Using it with a 15000-foot alert distance, I only get alerts for rest areas I'll be passing (or the occasional rest area for the oncoming traffic headed the other way from me on a divided highway)--I don't get a rest area alert if I'm within 15000 feet of a rest area on a different highway. I see this both on a nuvi 750 and 855.

Rest Areas

It doesn't work that way on my Nuvi 750. I am aware of rest area POI files that have been carefully constructed so that the POI is on the freeway ramp (not centered on the rest area itself), which qualifies as "on the road", hence triggering the alert. On my unit, if the POI is truly off the road it will not alert, even if the distance overlaps the road.

Alerts for POIs not on road travelled

CraigW wrote:
plunder wrote:
rmartinx wrote:

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REGULAR POIs are limited in functionality. They can be located anywhere, but if you want a proximity alert the POI MUST BE on the road you are traveling and you MUST BE using a routable map such as City Navigator. Otherwise, no alert...

Sorry, RMARTINX, but I believe you're wrong.
I have a POI file of all of the Rest Areas in Ohio, the closest of which is on I-90 just west of SR 44 in Lake County. When I load the POIs using the POI Loader, I set the proximity alert at three miles (15840 feet).
As I approach I-90 from southbound SR44, the proximity alert triggers because I'm within the three mile radius of the rest area. There is no question about it: the rest area is on I-90 and the proximity alert triggers on SR 44. It acts the same on my new Nuvi 1450 and it did on my old Streetpilot C530.

Hmm, I wonder if there's something special about the Ohio rest area file that makes it work as a TourGuide. I use the Rest Areas Combined file (from POI Factory). Using it with a 15000-foot alert distance, I only get alerts for rest areas I'll be passing (or the occasional rest area for the oncoming traffic headed the other way from me on a divided highway)--I don't get a rest area alert if I'm within 15000 feet of a rest area on a different highway. I see this both on a nuvi 750 and 855.

With my 855 I sometimes get RLC alerts for intersections on roads a block away from the road I'm travelling on. Almost like I get an alert for any RLC POI located in a pie shaped cone in front of the vehicle.
Mark