Not from the Chicago area looked at the link and also read some other links that the paper provided. Rather interesting, They were at one time talking about putting those things in Jacksonville, But so far none has shown up.Hope they stay away.
-- Jerry...Jacksonville,Fl Nüvi1450,Nuvi650,Nuvi 2495 and Mapsource.
Much as I don't like RLCs I happen to disagree - he clearly crossed the line without having stopped - and to be fair, you can see him almost all the way through the turn and he did not stop.
..and if there is an arrow, (in MD at least), you don't have to stop.
-- It's about the Line-
If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
If you watch the traffic flow, you will see the traffic from Rand Road, making a left turn from right to left onto route 22. Usually under these circumstances, the lane he is turning right from would (should) have a right turn arrow. At least at all the intersections I'm familiar with.
-- If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
So, are we likely to see more of this intrusive type of technology to enforce existing laws and will the number of restrictive laws increase?
In this time of fiscal deficits, I’m concerned we’re seeing the beginning of a trend to outsource such government functions as law enforcement through the use of technology to replace rather than augment human effort. Will our current atmosphere of fiscal pressures lead more government entities to seek reduction of work force through privatization and technological fixes even though these changes may not automatically lead to cost savings?
More importantly, as this nascent example illustrates, when these functions are parceled out to private entities that control the technology, there’s a potential for lack of oversight.
And, as it becoming common knowledge, government’s thirst for revenue is the primary driver forcing these changes. Regarding this potential, the Roman historian Tacitus long ago observed that the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. Perhaps we should pay heed to the ancient motto: obsta principiis (Latin: resist the first encroachments).
As I recall, we are innocent until proven guilty. It was the duty of the prosecutors to bring a photo showing there were no arrows.
The good news as far as the courts are concerned is that people will not contest their tickets, even though they have an even (or better than even) chance of getting them dismissed . . . if they did it would take years for your ticket to be heard and then it would be dismissed because your right to a speedy trial was violated.
But the prosecution did provide proof the defendant ran the light - that was the problem.
The supposed arrows were hidden by the tree and as such it provided the appearance of guilt.
The defendant should simply have brought a photo of the lights showing that the arrows are present and the judge would not have had to squint through multiple playbacks of the inconclusive RLC video.
When I got a ticket for speeding in '07 on a 2-lane where the speed limit changed spontaneously, the speed limit sign was there, but was covered with vines.
I took a photo and really pissed off the cop by tearing out the overgrowth - they'd been using the location to trap drivers every summer for a couple of years, apparently - couldn't get the ticket reduced no matter how hard I tried . . . I wonder why?
I've gone back twice so far (I have the sign marked as a waypoint) and ripped out the growth each August.
I knew that was slang for perpetrator. I was just curious as to what exactly he had perpetrated. I found it odd that you'd use that term while also indicating that you thought the outcome was just. Or at least that's how I read your post, and I agree that he was accused of perpetrating something that really couldn't be proven.
I'm almost 60 and I increasingly find that many people don't use the same word definitions as I grew up with though.
I also grew up thinking that the burden of proof was on the accuser not the accused, but that's changing as well these days it seems.
-- It's about the Line-
If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
But in police jargon, the perp often is misused for suspect. Actually a suspect doesn't become a perpetrator until after a trial I guess.
Oh, and I'm almost 75.
In some areas all are considered 'perps' while in other areas they are referred to as 'actors.' In still other areas they are 'mopes.' So it depends on the area.
-- ɐ‾nsǝɹ
Just one click away from the end of the Internet
I've gone back twice so far (I have the sign marked as a waypoint) and ripped out the growth each August.
I love it! It is SO great that you do that! Sometimes, you have to beat them at their own game. I am sure you have completely torqued them off by doing that.
In normal traffic light operations, the right turn in question should have had the right turn green arrow at the same time the left turn traffic in the background had their left turn green arrow. In addition to left turn traffic from the left and right turn traffic across from our right turn perp. It appears as the right turn arrow goes from yellow to red before the turner goes through the light, but left turn traffic continues. Either those cars are running the left turn light or the timing on this light is not correct.
Actually on further review- I believe the branch of the tree obstructed the arrow from the camera, which would be consistent with the left turn traffic continuing their turn.
Not from the Chicago area
Not from the Chicago area looked at the link and also read some other links that the paper provided. Rather interesting, They were at one time talking about putting those things in Jacksonville, But so far none has shown up.Hope they stay away.
Jerry...Jacksonville,Fl Nüvi1450,Nuvi650,Nuvi 2495 and Mapsource.
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Much as I don't like RLCs I happen to disagree - he clearly crossed the line without having stopped - and to be fair, you can see him almost all the way through the turn and he did not stop.
Currently have: SP3, GPSMAP 276c, Nuvi 760T, Nuvi 3790LMT, Zumo 660T
Perp?
Perp?
..and if there is an arrow, (in MD at least), you don't have to stop.
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
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I agree - but his proper defense would have been to bring a photo of the lights clearly showing the yellow arrow he claimed was there . . .
Currently have: SP3, GPSMAP 276c, Nuvi 760T, Nuvi 3790LMT, Zumo 660T
perp = perpetrator. If you
perp = perpetrator.
If you watch the traffic flow, you will see the traffic from Rand Road, making a left turn from right to left onto route 22. Usually under these circumstances, the lane he is turning right from would (should) have a right turn arrow. At least at all the intersections I'm familiar with.
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
Not really
"I agree - but his proper defense would have been to bring a photo of the lights clearly showing the yellow arrow he claimed was there . ."
As I recall, we are innocent until proven guilty. It was the duty of the prosecutors to bring a photo showing there were no arrows.
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
Obsta Principiis
So, are we likely to see more of this intrusive type of technology to enforce existing laws and will the number of restrictive laws increase?
In this time of fiscal deficits, I’m concerned we’re seeing the beginning of a trend to outsource such government functions as law enforcement through the use of technology to replace rather than augment human effort. Will our current atmosphere of fiscal pressures lead more government entities to seek reduction of work force through privatization and technological fixes even though these changes may not automatically lead to cost savings?
More importantly, as this nascent example illustrates, when these functions are parceled out to private entities that control the technology, there’s a potential for lack of oversight.
And, as it becoming common knowledge, government’s thirst for revenue is the primary driver forcing these changes. Regarding this potential, the Roman historian Tacitus long ago observed that the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. Perhaps we should pay heed to the ancient motto: obsta principiis (Latin: resist the first encroachments).
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As I recall, we are innocent until proven guilty. It was the duty of the prosecutors to bring a photo showing there were no arrows.
The good news as far as the courts are concerned is that people will not contest their tickets, even though they have an even (or better than even) chance of getting them dismissed . . . if they did it would take years for your ticket to be heard and then it would be dismissed because your right to a speedy trial was violated.
But the prosecution did provide proof the defendant ran the light - that was the problem.
The supposed arrows were hidden by the tree and as such it provided the appearance of guilt.
The defendant should simply have brought a photo of the lights showing that the arrows are present and the judge would not have had to squint through multiple playbacks of the inconclusive RLC video.
When I got a ticket for speeding in '07 on a 2-lane where the speed limit changed spontaneously, the speed limit sign was there, but was covered with vines.
I took a photo and really pissed off the cop by tearing out the overgrowth - they'd been using the location to trap drivers every summer for a couple of years, apparently - couldn't get the ticket reduced no matter how hard I tried . . . I wonder why?
I've gone back twice so far (I have the sign marked as a waypoint) and ripped out the growth each August.
Currently have: SP3, GPSMAP 276c, Nuvi 760T, Nuvi 3790LMT, Zumo 660T
Perp
perp = perpetrator.
I knew that was slang for perpetrator. I was just curious as to what exactly he had perpetrated. I found it odd that you'd use that term while also indicating that you thought the outcome was just. Or at least that's how I read your post, and I agree that he was accused of perpetrating something that really couldn't be proven.
I'm almost 60 and I increasingly find that many people don't use the same word definitions as I grew up with though.
I also grew up thinking that the burden of proof was on the accuser not the accused, but that's changing as well these days it seems.
It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.
thanks for the inof
thanks for the inof
Technically you're right
But in police jargon, the perp often is misused for suspect. Actually a suspect doesn't become a perpetrator until after a trial I guess.
Oh, and I'm almost 75.
If you don't know where you are going, you might wind up someplace else. - Yogi Berra
The jargon depends on the area
But in police jargon, the perp often is misused for suspect. Actually a suspect doesn't become a perpetrator until after a trial I guess.
Oh, and I'm almost 75.
In some areas all are considered 'perps' while in other areas they are referred to as 'actors.' In still other areas they are 'mopes.' So it depends on the area.
ɐ‾nsǝɹ Just one click away from the end of the Internet
HA!
I've gone back twice so far (I have the sign marked as a waypoint) and ripped out the growth each August.
I love it! It is SO great that you do that! Sometimes, you have to beat them at their own game. I am sure you have completely torqued them off by doing that.
Wow
Wow, apparently in that court system you actually are innocent until proven guilty. If only more courts/judges in this country were like that.
Shouldn't have gone that far
Wow, apparently in that court system you actually are innocent until proven guilty. If only more courts/judges in this country were like that.
It shouldn't have gone to court. The police reviewing the facts should have rescinded the ticket. What a waste of taxpayer money.
observation
In normal traffic light operations, the right turn in question should have had the right turn green arrow at the same time the left turn traffic in the background had their left turn green arrow. In addition to left turn traffic from the left and right turn traffic across from our right turn perp. It appears as the right turn arrow goes from yellow to red before the turner goes through the light, but left turn traffic continues. Either those cars are running the left turn light or the timing on this light is not correct.
Actually on further review- I believe the branch of the tree obstructed the arrow from the camera, which would be consistent with the left turn traffic continuing their turn.