POI loader location

 

Hope someone has the patience for this one.

I am working with Windows XP Home, SP3, on a new Samsung Netbook. I am new to Windows; I know my way around a Mac.

When I downloaded Garmin POI Loader, I chose Run vice Save.

Trying to dope out where it is installed (it did not tell me or ask me, as I find most other programs do), I used a tool called Everything to search my HD and found POI Loader here:
C:\Documents and Settings\myname\Local Settings\Temp.

I have the book Windows XP For Starters, but I haven't so far found a good explanation in it as to where do downloaded programs get filed.

Many thanks,

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Nuvi 3790T w. Lifetime Maps/Macintosh OS Lion/iPhone 4/iPad 1

Garmin would have you choose

Garmin would have you choose Save instead of Run (http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=927#I...). Then you will specify the location.

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Denis - Bellingham, WA - nuvi 260W

in your "Programs" folder ...

goto you Start Menu (bottom left corner of screen) / All Programs / Garmin / POI Loader

you can always use the Windows search feature to locate things too

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djs wrote:

goto you Start Menu (bottom left corner of screen) / All Programs / Garmin / POI Loader

What I find interesting about POI loader is that the shortcut is only available to the user who installed the software. If you want all users to have a shortcut to POI Loader software, you must create a shortcut in the following location:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs

I installed POI Loader when logged on as Administrator. When I'm logged on as chewy, a regular user, the shortcut isn't at the Start menu but I can run it by double clicking the executable at [drive letter]:\Garmin folder.

Had the same problem...

Usually, downloaded programs end up wherever you tell your browser to put them. There should be a setting in your browser that you can change to specify a particular location to save downloads, or you can have the browser ask you each time.

I've had better luck using "Save" instead of "Run."

When I installed version 2.5.3 of POI Loader, it did not present me with an option to select where to install the program files. For some reason, it selected the root directory of a secondary hard drive (and did so more than once after an uninstall and reinstall).

I found version 2.5.2 of POI Loader and installed that, and the setup routine was the usual default location of C:\Program Files\* with an option to override that. That also could explain why your installation of POI Loader ended up where it did.

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Plornch wrote:

Usually, downloaded programs end up wherever you tell your browser to put them.

Not if you click Run. If you click Run, setup will be downloaded to a temporary folder. It gets automatically executed after download completes.

Plornch wrote:

I've had better luck using "Save" instead of "Run."

I always click Save instead of Run even when I'm advised to click Run. This way I have more control of what I'm downloading/installing.

Plornch wrote:

For some reason, it selected the root directory of a secondary hard drive (and did so more than once after an uninstall and reinstall).

Perhaps it automatically picks a volume with the largest free space which happens to be your secondary HD. That appears to be what happens to me when I install v2.5.3

My POI loader installation defaults to E:\Garmin folder which is so much larger than my C: system drive. I don't recall seeing an option to change the install location.

Good call, chewbacca!

chewbacca wrote:
Plornch wrote:

Usually, downloaded programs end up wherever you tell your browser to put them.

Not if you click Run. If you click Run, setup will be downloaded to a temporary folder. It gets automatically executed after download completes.

You are correct...I had assumed the choice of "Save," but I didn't make that clear.

chewbacca wrote:
Plornch wrote:

For some reason, it selected the root directory of a secondary hard drive (and did so more than once after an uninstall and reinstall).

Perhaps it automatically picks a volume with the largest free space which happens to be your secondary HD. That appears to be what happens to me when I install v2.5.3

My POI loader installation defaults to E:\Garmin folder which is so much larger than my C: system drive. I don't recall seeing an option to change the install location.

I checked the two drives, and it appears that is exactly what happened...thank you for shining the light on that!

You're welcome, Plornch

Btw, as far as I know Internet Explorer always asks for a location if we click "Save" button. There's no settings to define a default download folder. Firefox does have it.

Save or Run?

I am very grateful for all the comments from folks on this one.

As one who made the decision about 15 years ago to take the Mac fork in the Mac/Windows road, a few things about Windows utterly baffle me.

One is: Why is there a choice between Save and Run when you download software?

For those of you unfamiliar with Macs, downloaded software is placed where you tell your browser to place it (actually the default is a Downloads folder which you can change if you like).

It is usually in the form of a .dmg file. Click on it to reveal the contents and move the contents into your Applications folder and that's it.

Why bother saving the .dmg file in which the downloaded app/program came. It just consumes space on our HD. Download it again if you need to reinstall it.

Thanks to dhayner for pointing out Garmin's instructions for installing POI loader:

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Click on "Download" and choose to save the file to your computer.

Choose a location where you can easily locate the file by saving it to a location such as the "My Documents" folder or to "C:\".

Once the download is complete, run the downloaded install file by double clicking on it.

Once the install is complete, you may delete the downloaded install file.
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For those of you who noted that you choose Save instead of Run,
after you finally Run it, what then?

I used a neat freeware program called Revouninstaller to totally get rid of all the bits and pieces of POI Loader and downloaded it anew.

Had it dumped on my desktop.

Double-clicked on it and chose save.

At no time did it ask me where I wanted to save it.

I did a search for it and guess where it got dumped? On the bloody D drive!! Now why the heck would Garmin do that??!!

First I dragged and dropped it from there to my desktop, then I deleted it from the D drive.

I renamed the folder POI Loader and dragged and dropped it into my C: drive > Program, which is where I believe it belongs.

All appears well

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Nuvi 3790T w. Lifetime Maps/Macintosh OS Lion/iPhone 4/iPad 1

Save versus run you can

Save versus run you can thank Bill Gates for. Long before IE came along, Netscape only would save a downloaded file.

Along came Internet Explorer and bill Gates trying to integrate all things web into the computer and when a program was downloaded it would just run it for you.

Firefox, and Seamonkey will still only download and save the file.

As far as saving a file to disk, not all of us are blessed with fast Internet connection, and some of us even have metered access, so not saving is not an option.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

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Speed3 wrote:

It is usually in the form of a .dmg file. Click on it to reveal the contents and move the contents into your Applications folder and that's it.

I know nothing about Mac. From the above description, it sounds like you don't have to install software. Perhaps "moving the contents to Applications folder" is the same as installing software in Windows OS.

Speed3 wrote:

For those of you who noted that you choose Save instead of Run, after you finally Run it, what then?

In Windows, you typically have to install software before you can use it. First, download the setup file. Then you run (or execute) it to install the software. When installation completes, you normally can use the software by going through Start - All Programs - (software name) etc

In this case, you must download POI Loader setup file which is called POILoaderforWindows_253.exe

After choosing Save button to save the file to your desktop (for example), you must run it or execute it by double clicking POILoaderforWindows_253.exe to install the software.

During this time POILoaderforWindows_253.exe gets extracted and the contents get copied to proper locations on your hard drive. Unfortunately Garmin POI Loader installation routine automatically picks a volume with the largest free space and does not let us customize the installation. In your PC, D drive may be the volume with the largest free space.

The end result is a new folder in D drive (D:\Garmin). In it, there are lots of DLL files and PoiLoader.exe which is the actual POI Loader software that you use to load custom POIs to your GPS.

Now, going back to your question about choosing Save or Run ... they're the same.. well, not really. Run is actually a 1 step installation process. When you click Run button, POILoaderforWindows_253.exe gets downloaded (or copied) to a temporary folder on your hard drive. Internet Explorer won't ask you where you want to save it. When download completes, the file gets automatically executed (run) to initiate POI Loader software installation. The end result is the same as mentioned above (before this paragraph).

I'm not very good at explaining how things work. I hope the above is clear enough for you to understand. Feel free to ask if it confuses you more than it helps.

Perfectly clear explanation..

...as far as I am concerned, and thanks for offering it, chewbacca.

I guess at root (no pun intended) the problem is a very fundamental one between those who want things done automatically for them (with all the problems that can entail) and those who want to do it themselves (which also entails problems).

I am 70 years old and have never purchased a car with an automatic transmission: I like to do things myself.

I wish that Garmin, in their Cayman Island lair, would get with the program and ASK us where we want our software installed.

It's been an interesting thread.

Thanks for all the input.

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Nuvi 3790T w. Lifetime Maps/Macintosh OS Lion/iPhone 4/iPad 1