IN DASH UNITS

 

Anyone familiar with these in dash GPS units in new vehicles? Are they any better than my portable Garmin unit or not worth the price upgrade to the new vehicle price?

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Personally, I can't see

Personally, I can't see paying up to $2,500 extra dollars for an indash in new cars. I like the portablility of my Garmin. I can take it with me anytime, whereas you lose the indash once you get rid of the car.

Most in-dsh units

THE KING wrote:

Anyone familiar with these in dash GPS units in new vehicles? Are they any better than my portable Garmin unit or not worth the price upgrade to the new vehicle price?

Most of the units are "locked down" by the vehicle manufacturer and are next to impossible to update. Most cannot load custom POI and the map update procedure requires you to spend several hundred dollars for a DVD loaded through the playe in the dash.

As the screens are multi-function in that they control much more than the gps functions, they are often placed where they look good aesthetically, but are difficult to see while driving (many are way too low on the dash for my comfort).

With the cost of add-on units steadily decreasing, you can often buy a brand new add on for about the same cost of a map/poi update for an in-dash.

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IN DASH UNITS

THE KING wrote:

Anyone familiar with these in dash GPS units in new vehicles? Are they any better than my portable Garmin unit or not worth the price upgrade to the new vehicle price?

When we bought my wife's Pontiac Vibe the gps option was $1600.00 and there would be a five or six DVD changer mounted somewhere in the car. I was also told it would be quite expensive to update the maps.

Some of the things I thought about also was if something went wrong with it, the chances of them being able to repair it at the dealership would be slim to none. That would mean having the dash tore apart so they could send it to be repaired. Another thing that would be important to me would be the fact that the unit would be tied to one vehicle. Needless to say, we didn't take the option.

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one good thing

in dash is unlikely to attract gpsr thieves.

OEM In Dash

In dash has a lot of benefits. Its allways there, the displays are huge in comparison to the Garmin and TomTom and since its in dash it doesnt fill up your windshield. Also if you also want Hands Free Cell Phone usage, the in dash units provide much better quality and suppress noise much better as well.

I purchased an OEM in dash GPS/ sound system with blue tooth. It ended up costing me about $1300. ($1200 less than the manufactureres version). Its a great sound system, excellent hands free, but the Garmin powered Nav is average.

Lexus GPS

THE KING wrote:

Anyone familiar with these in dash GPS units in new vehicles? Are they any better than my portable Garmin unit or not worth the price upgrade to the new vehicle price?

I have a navigation system (with bluetooth and voice recognition) in a 2007 Lexus and is much more sophisticated than my 750 Garmin (You can even search by phone numbers). There are benefits to both obviously. When the new map came out for the Lexus I bought the previous years for $50 from a dealer (They want $250 for the current version). The built in nav system gets satellites almost immediately and the screen is much larger and easier to read. I have a new subaru which I chose not to have a built in nav system so I could have a Garmin to be able to use in other vehicles. Would I get a built in nav system again??? You bet...If you have two cars you can get a portable and have the best of both worlds. By the way my son has a built in nav system in his Dodge which he doesn't care for at all...Just as in portables some built ins are better than others.

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

Usually not as good

Over the past couple of years just about all of the reports I have read on in dash units state that they are way overpriced and are not as feature rich or user friendly as the portable units.

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in dash units

The in dash units are not updated as frequently so by the time you buy the car you are getting older technology. Also, they are are way overpriced. While I like the convenience of having it in the car, I don't think I would pay the extra money.

affordability

If I can afford a in-dash unit, I would buy it regardless. However, I will keep my Garmin to receive traffic which is not available on any in-dash ones (?).

Too expensive

The cost of putting one on the car in most cases way too expensive and has no updates

Wrong

Sorry gymkep but boy are you ever wrong...you need to go try one before making those statements. My Lexus 2007 system I bought in 2006 has many more features than my Garmin portable and extremely easy to use. It also has bluetooth and voice recognition to enter a destination. I am not knocking the portable units I am just saying the built in units are very, very nice if you get a good one....I also have a Garmin 750 which we will be taking on our vacation to Hawaii in the fall. I think each has its own niche in the navigation world.

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not nice to post information based on guesses

abin wrote:

If I can afford a in-dash unit, I would buy it regardless. However, I will keep my Garmin to receive traffic which is not available on any in-dash ones (?).

Well, at least you put in the question mark, but I remember seeing just recently a TV cammercial for a car and one of the features the actress was hyping was traffic avoidance. So it certainly is available in some new cars. I didn't pay attention to which model it was so I'm not going to risk making an error and posting what I think it was from memory, but if I see the ad again I'll post back.

I'm in no way promoting paying outrageous prices for in-dash units, and completely agree with the other comments about them being over priced both to buy and to upgrade or service, and other features like POI support missing in many units. On the plus side you don't have to worry about taking it from the car all of the time (although you do make the car more attractive for chop-shops), and it usually is well placed, doesn't fall off the windshield while driving, and always well supplied with power without stray wires, and has a gps antenna well mounted for good reception even though the display is dash mounted.

I was recently visiting family in Pittsburgh and may have seen that advertisement there. I'm wondering if the manufacturers offering traffic avoidance might not just advertise it in local markets where they have traffic coverage. I can certainly understand that they might not want to put themselves in the position of advertising a feature in markets where it isn't really available and then have to deal with irate customers and court cases (despite the tiny unreadable type flashed up for a fraction of a second). So I may never see the commercial again and be able to post the manufacturer.

Lexus

Frovingslosh wrote:
abin wrote:

If I can afford a in-dash unit, I would buy it regardless. However, I will keep my Garmin to receive traffic which is not available on any in-dash ones (?).

Well, at least you put in the question mark, but I remember seeing just recently a TV cammercial for a car and one of the features the actress was hyping was traffic avoidance. So it certainly is available in some new cars. I didn't pay attention to which model it was so I'm not going to risk making an error and posting what I think it was from memory, but if I see the ad again I'll post back.

I'm in no way promoting paying outrageous prices for in-dash units, and completely agree with the other comments about them being over priced both to buy and to upgrade or service, and other features like POI support missing in many units. On the plus side you don't have to worry about taking it from the car all of the time (although you do make the car more attractive for chop-shops), and it usually is well placed, doesn't fall off the windshield while driving, and always well supplied with power without stray wires, and has a gps antenna well mounted for good reception even though the display is dash mounted.

I was recently visiting family in Pittsburgh and may have seen that advertisement there. I'm wondering if the manufacturers offering traffic avoidance might not just advertise it in local markets where they have traffic coverage. I can certainly understand that they might not want to put themselves in the position of advertising a feature in markets where it isn't really available and then have to deal with irate customers and court cases (despite the tiny unreadable type flashed up for a fraction of a second). So I may never see the commercial again and be able to post the manufacturer.

I have seen an ad by Lexus...it may be the same one you saw..

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

Yup....

farrissr wrote:

Sorry gymkep but boy are you ever wrong...you need to go try one before making those statements. My Lexus 2007 system I bought in 2006 has many more features than my Garmin portable and extremely easy to use. It also has bluetooth and voice recognition to enter a destination. I am not knocking the portable units I am just saying the built in units are very, very nice if you get a good one....I also have a Garmin 750 which we will be taking on our vacation to Hawaii in the fall. I think each has its own niche in the navigation world.

Agree totally. I have a Honda Navi system (same as the Lexus, I believe), and I love it! It will not do traffic or after-market POIs, but I've used it for nearly 30K miles, and it has been dead-on all the time. To me, the best feature is its integration with the stereo system for guidance, and phone calls. There are other features with the system, to include a card reader (for MP3 music) instead of using the included CD drive. Last mapset update was $140... I too have a Nuvi 750 that I use in a second vehicle, but I'll take the on-board system over any portable.

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Factory GPS

I think what most don't realize is that a good factory installed Navigation system will do much, much more than just GPS. With mine in a 2007 Lexus I can control with voice the sound system, climate controls, backup camera, bluetooth and gps. Wouldn't trade it for anything. My Garmin 750 takes good care of me when driving or riding in a different car.

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

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Don B wrote:

That would mean having the dash tore apart so they could send it to be repaired.

Sure, if you call taking out 2 trim pieces and undoing 4 bolts for a total of under 1 minute, as Ripping the dash apart then Yeah! Your right!

GPS

Fluxuated wrote:
Don B wrote:

That would mean having the dash tore apart so they could send it to be repaired.

Sure, if you call taking out 2 trim pieces and undoing 4 bolts for a total of under 1 minute, as Ripping the dash apart then Yeah! Your right!

And then you drive around for the next month or so with a hole in the dash and no GPS.

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One big downside to in dash

One big downside to in dash units is no after market POI's. I talked to a relative about getting him to join and get the camera database but after some research we found out there's no way to load extra POI's to his (very expensive) system. So, if you want the camera database, or any other personal POI's, on an in dash unit you seem to be SOL.

No aftermarket Poi's

I cant speak for the manufacturers units, but my OEM in dash unit most certainly allows user POI's. Doesn't allow the MP3 play for a tourguide but to me that would just be a toy anyway

The unit in question was a

The unit in question was a manufacturer unit, at a cost of over ten times what I paid for my 760. Admittedly some of the points above - better integration, sound quality, speed etc - are valid and it does have lifetime traffic - but no POI's. And this is on a Lexus, which is pretty much the top end of the market.

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Don B wrote:

And then you drive around for the next month or so with a hole in the dash and no GPS.

Minus the hole in the dash, how would that be different from sending in your Garmin?

I'd never buy the In dash GPS Anyways, it's a rip off. Nothing Beats my Nuvi, I can take it with me, and use it anywhere, and updating is a snap. (Unless it's a Lexus RX350, the new Models have a sweet one, with inconsole Joystick, and are a pleasure to drive wink )

Portable is Best

bobshort1 wrote:

Personally, I can't see paying up to $2,500 extra dollars for an indash in new cars. I like the portablility of my Garmin. I can take it with me anytime, whereas you lose the indash once you get rid of the car.

I agree, whatever portable you have is better in price and in a couple of years you can get a new portable GPS for the cost of upgrading the in dash one.

Buy and stay with a portable unit.

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In dash GPS

GPS in dash are not up to date, the maps in a portable GPS are.

I work in a car dealer Infiniti and Nissan, and customer are always asking about the update.

In the in dash GPS some city's are note there at all. I am from Quebec Canada.

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NUVI

I will keep my NUVI, thank you.

the maps in a portable GPS are not either

claude wrote:

GPS in dash are not up to date, the maps in a portable GPS are.

The maps in my nuvi are far from up to date, even after taking advantage of the free 60 day update gaurantee. And I'm glad that I didn't get the 2010 update, that has really messed up some people. The POIs in the Garmin GPSs are even worse, years out of date and many inappropriate POIs are in there and many that should be there (based on other members of the same chain being included) are missing. Maybe a TomTom with user maintained aps might be more up to date but I've heard other map complaints about TomTom.

I'm in no way promoting the purchase of an over priced in-dash factory install unit, but I would not want to see people mislead by the above quoted statement. Hand held GPSs seem to be out of date by a couple of years even with the most currently offered map.

claude wrote:

I am from Quebec Canada.

Are you offering that as an explanation for the above statement, eh?

speak for myself

not to summarize, but just speak for myself,
should I afford a Lexus, I would ask for an in-dash unit. I will still rely on my Nuvi and keep it up-to-date.

Up to date

claude wrote:

GPS in dash are not up to date, the maps in a portable GPS are.

I work in a car dealer Infiniti and Nissan, and customer are always asking about the update.

In the in dash GPS some city's are note there at all. I am from Quebec Canada.

Sorry must be a Canadian thing...My Lexus POI's are much more updated than my Garmin 750 and the map is a year older. Not that there is anything wrong with the portable units but why would you spend $40,000 or more for a car and have a portable GPS with all the wires, etc sitting on the dash..come on lets be realistic. Why order heated seats when you could somehow hook up heating pads, etc, etc, etc...

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Toyota in-dash

I have one in my Camry. It works fine, but I probably get a high end Garmin next time or use my 255w.

The screen is large and the routing is good, but you can't add your own poi's. The cost was high and you can get top of the line Garmin for less than a 1/3 of the cost and you can move it from one car to another.

Yes, let's be realistic

Quote:

Sorry must be a Canadian thing...My Lexus POI's are much more updated than my Garmin 750 and the map is a year older. Not that there is anything wrong with the portable units but why would you spend $40,000 or more for a car and have a portable GPS with all the wires, etc sitting on the dash..come on lets be realistic. Why order heated seats when you could somehow hook up heating pads, etc, etc, etc...

It took me half an hour to mount a Nuvi 360 to my sun visor. The only wire that's visible is the audio out. And with some extreme modifications to the cradle clip I could change that.

I would have gone with an in dash mount, but I don't like where it would sit. On the passenger side sun visor, I can glance over at the nuvi and still see the road.

The only reason I could see someone justifying buying the GPS from the dealer is if they have a phobia about tools, working with their hands or getting dirty.

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WOW

Sundive wrote:
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Sorry must be a Canadian thing...My Lexus POI's are much more updated than my Garmin 750 and the map is a year older. Not that there is anything wrong with the portable units but why would you spend $40,000 or more for a car and have a portable GPS with all the wires, etc sitting on the dash..come on lets be realistic. Why order heated seats when you could somehow hook up heating pads, etc, etc, etc...

It took me half an hour to mount a Nuvi 360 to my sun visor. The only wire that's visible is the audio out. And with some extreme modifications to the cradle clip I could change that.

I would have gone with an in dash mount, but I don't like where it would sit. On the passenger side sun visor, I can glance over at the nuvi and still see the road.

The only reason I could see someone justifying buying the GPS from the dealer is if they have a phobia about tools, working with their hands or getting dirty.

To each his own....Personally I would never buy a high end luxury car with out one...does your 360 have backup camera, voice commands for climate, navigation, audio, etc, etc. Sorry Sundive you have a long way to go to convince me to modify a high priced luxury car with a Garmin Nuvi as wonderful as I think they are.
I am a Garmin lover (use one in my 2009 Forester) but my built in Lexus nav system runs circles around my 750.

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Bobby....Garmin 2450LM

I would rather spend money

I would rather spend money in upgrading the car luxary than 2.5 K in 'In Dash'. The indash will get out of date in couple of years. It is good if you intend to keep car only for 2-3 years.

The indash units don't

The indash units don't provide any additional benefit other than a fully integrated look within the car. The external units enable you to bring then anywhere (rental cars, etc.).

Portables work for me

I found the mapping terrible on my BMW.
You cant give this back or buy a different model gps if you are not happy either

In-Dash unit vs. Portable

I had a wonderful after market Pioneer unit that came out of the dash when the vehicle's power was turned on and the wonderful thing that it did over the Garmin was search by phone numbers. I paid $3000.00 for it.
Now that I have my Garmin 885t, I can overlook the fact that I cannot search by phone # and be glad that I can take it with me as an mp3 player; To be able to find my way back when in a different city and all of the other wonderful ++++++'s that I now have including the great savings I kept in my pocket.
I might not be driving a Lexus, but I find no major advantage to purchasing an in dash unit from a dealer that will be obsolete in three years.

I do agree with Sundive, If I was purchasing a Lexus, I would definately spring for the built in, just because of the fact that I would not want to see a wire draping across the dash, but then again, saving a couple of Thousand might make me re-consider.

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In dash unit

I did not say that Garmin or tom tom are perfect and up to date, but a dash unit you pay up to 2500$ and you have city's missing, and on the other hand you can buy a Garmin for maybe 300$ to 600$ and have more in it, and 2000$ in your pocket.

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On board GPS

I did not say Lexus if you read correcly......

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Pioneer Elite

Does anyone know who builds Pioneer's Elite GPS? Which maps does it use? Can it be upgraded?
jen

??????

It is obvious from many posts on this topic people have not had the opportunity to use a top of the line built in gps system with all the functions that come with it and the ease of use... Many other features come with a built in unit in addition to the gps. The screen and movement of the vehicle is considerably better on a built in unit. There are not any new needed features in any portable gps unit from Garmin, Magellan or Tom Tom that my three year old built in unit doesn't have. In fact it had lane guidance and 3d buildings way before any of the portable units did. It takes me (no joke) no longer than 15 seconds to change to a new disc if I desire to. Of course you can take the portable units with you (duh) which is a benefit, no one has said it wasn't. But don't knock the built ins until you try one. It also depends on how many cars you have. A built in and a portable would be ideal with two cars.

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In Dash GPS

I visited a friend in San Diego a few weeks ago. He has an Infiniti with built-in GPS. Even with volume turned up, it was hard to hear. Directions were slow in coming and the map didn't refresh even as quickly as my 350 without an external antenna. Directions were poor and often incorrect. However, his wife has a Lexus with built-in GPS and hers is great. I think it must depend on the car you buy and the type of unit installed. Of course, the price is a major consideration. You can buy a lot of portable units for the price of a built-in.

GPS

Fluxuated wrote:
Don B wrote:

And then you drive around for the next month or so with a hole in the dash and no GPS.

Minus the hole in the dash, how would that be different from sending in your Garmin?

I'd never buy the In dash GPS Anyways, it's a rip off. Nothing Beats my Nuvi, I can take it with me, and use it anywhere, and updating is a snap. (Unless it's a Lexus RX350, the new Models have a sweet one, with inconsole Joystick, and are a pleasure to drive wink )

The turn-around time. Knowing the auto industry the turn-around time with the factory unit would be much longer. plus the place where I get the best deals on my cars is 20 miles from my house, that means two trips to the dealer would be 80 miles extra driving, plus the wait time at the dealership to get the GPS removed and installed. To each his own, but I think I'll stay with the portable units.

One other thing to keep in mind, if you have a second car and it doesn't have a factory system you would have to buy a portable unit for that car anyway.

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Ditto!

farrissr wrote:

It is obvious from many posts on this topic people have not had the opportunity to use a top of the line built in gps system with all the functions that come with it and the ease of use... Many other features come with a built in unit in addition to the gps. The screen and movement of the vehicle is considerably better on a built in unit. There are not any new needed features in any portable gps unit from Garmin, Magellan or Tom Tom that my three year old built in unit doesn't have. In fact it had lane guidance and 3d buildings way before any of the portable units did. It takes me (no joke) no longer than 15 seconds to change to a new disc if I desire to. Of course you can take the portable units with you (duh) which is a benefit, no one has said it wasn't. But don't knock the built ins until you try one. It also depends on how many cars you have. A built in and a portable would be ideal with two cars.

Good post Bobby. You and I have the same system (which BTW uses NAVTEQ mapping software), and both of us are very pleased with the system. Based on my experience with built-in systems, I'll never buy another Honda without one.....

Joel

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poi;s

I have just has a in dash unit installed and it has a Garmin KNA-G510 navigation unit coupled up to the Kenwood DDX814.
The nav unit has a SD slot in it for doing map updates and installing custom poi's.
Great unit very accurate and easy to view screen and hear the voice guidance.
Am able to watch DVD,ipod,radio,satellite radio,back up camera,has usb input as well.
I like it!!!

portability

bobshort1 wrote:

Personally, I can't see paying up to $2,500 extra dollars for an indash in new cars. I like the portablility of my Garmin. I can take it with me anytime, whereas you lose the indash once you get rid of the car.

agreed....

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In Dash vs. Portable

My wife has a Benz with a great built in system, but many posts that you will encounter in this forum will not lean toward that kind of unit because many are your average user who find this forum a great way to exchange ideas and assistance with mostly portable GPS units that make life a little better.
Keep up the great work guys, and thanks again for those who have helped me in ways I did not expect and in such a timely manner.
To those who can afford a $3,000.00 unit. I am happy for you.
I love my Nuvi 885t, It is like having a secretary without a paycheck.

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Price is the key

If you can afford it get inboard dash gps.

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Nissan GPS systems are pure

Nissan GPS systems are pure garbage. The ones I've used have no touch screen, you have to use a tiny joystick to navigate. Very un-user friendly.

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In dash VS portable

My opinion:

If I buy a new car for less than 25K, I choose not to option with NAV,
But if buying a luxury car, I will definately get one with built in NAV and premium sound system. Buying 40K dollars car and you couldn't afford 2K for the NAV??? And built in Nav always come with backup camera and with premium sound it also play DVD.

Oh, but I have..

farrissr wrote:

It is obvious from many posts on this topic people have not had the opportunity to use a top of the line built in gps system with all the functions that come with it and the ease of use...

I have used the in dash systems installed in GM's top of the line Caddy's and I'm definitely not impressed. The unit was mounted well below the sight lines so looking at the screen required you to take your eyes off the road and refocus. Switching from GPS to the other functions also took quite a bit of time and work. The driver distraction was my biggest complaint. Add to that the fact that you are unable to enter information or changes into the unit while moving - and that's often a function the passenger can do - is another big complaint.

Granted, the screen was much bigger and the sound clearer, but for the price and over $400 for a map upgrade that wouldn't/couldn't take any customer input (other than storing destinations and not alert info such as cameras) made it a very expensive toy to display the radio station and air conditioning controls.

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GM

I said a top of the line system....not General Motors....By the way I didn't initially agree with not being able to use my Lexus nav while moving but I am now in total agreement....trying to input would be worse than using a cell phone!!!! Don't always have a passenger to do it...

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a very reliable system or you have nothing

so nice that the in-dash unit controls more than just helping where to go, it also put sound control, climate control, audio channels on touch screen, in stead of traditional push buttons or dials. Now, we have to hope that the touch screen and its supporting system are reliable at all time, or we may not be able to turn on air conditioner when needed.

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