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BEWARE!!! Phoenix Speed Cameras Out of Control

 

Drove to Phoenix Yesterday and on I10 east bound coming into Phoenix we passed over 15 speed cameras in a 25 mile span of road. I had just updated my camera list. Half of the cameras were not on the list. I know everybody here is updating the list as fast as they can. You could end up up with 15 speeding tickets in the mail after you go through Phoenix. BEWARE!!!

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Definitely

Yes, definitely out of control!

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Next month, I will be

Next month, I will be traveling to Pheonix. Thank you for the comments. The trip there will be expensive enough as it is!

Over

There are over 40 on the freeways here. Drives me nuts. mad

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30 years ago

30+ years or so ago I wanted to move from D.C. to Arizona but seeing this and a recent trip I made where I found out you couldn't smoke within (30?) feet of a building with doors or windows (is it really a building if it doesn't have doors???), I'll wait until all of the ah-swee-pay's move out of CA and into AZ .... then move to CA.

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Revenue is tempting

These intersections couldn't all be above average in collisions, so this has to be purely for the $$$.

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It is all about the money.

They are talking about strictly speed cameras. And yes it is for the Money. The Govenor said so. Although to date it has reduced the number of crashes and it is smoother driving without all of the idiots blowing by you at 90 mph. Several bills going to the legislators this year to ban or modify the cameras.

Seems easy enough

ramcruzer wrote:

There are over 40 on the freeways here. Drives me nuts. mad

Set your cruise control, and forget about the freeway cameras.

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It's not that you can't smoke within *20 (not 30) feet of any building with a door, it's that you can't smoke within 20 feet of any door. You also cannot smoke within 20 feet of any window or ventilation system (a very creative bar owner was the cause for this clause).

As for the speeding and red light cameras, I'll agree that they suck (although I've never had a ticket from one). As I've mentioned in another post I dislike that there is no officer to provide discretion as neccessary. They are just big cash cows for AZ. Fortunately I live in Tucson and so far they've only put up a few red light cameras at a few of the really bad intersections (where I will agree they probably were needed, albeit I'd rather see police officers patrolling). They're also fortunately not near my home or where I have to drive, but I fear as budgets become tighter they will put up more cameras here in Tucson as well following Phoenix's lead. I personally have seen too many people slamming on their brakes for yellow for fear of getting a ticket, which is a huge danger in itself. By my house there is routinely a cop on a bike at one bad intersection...I just hope that doesn't mean a camera will be coming soon. Additionally, they send out roving vans with speeding cameras mostly at school crossings. I guess I can't object to those much.

HMM

Redlight and Speed Cameras are like the self check out in the store,,no payrole expences,no insurance no matching taxs, no vacation and sick days you get what I mean.
**** Just Pure Profit *****

The Machine are goig to take over the world

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Not sure what to make of it...

ramcruzer wrote:

Redlight and Speed Cameras are like the self check out in the store,,no payrole expences,no insurance no matching taxs, no vacation and sick days you get what I mean.
**** Just Pure Profit *****

The Machine are goig to take over the world

Here you say it's just for "Pure Profit," but here http://www.poi-factory.com/node/20890 you clearly appreciate the effect of their intended purpose.

Kind of like not wanting to touch, hold or chew the cake, but wanting all the flavor of it.

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I say we nuke the cams from

I say we nuke the cams from space...it's the only way to be sure...

grin

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fletch wrote:
ramcruzer wrote:

Redlight and Speed Cameras are like the self check out in the store,,no payrole expences,no insurance no matching taxs, no vacation and sick days you get what I mean.
**** Just Pure Profit *****

The Machine are goig to take over the world

Here you say it's just for "Pure Profit," but here http://www.poi-factory.com/node/20890 you clearly appreciate the effect of their intended purpose.

Kind of like not wanting to touch, hold or chew the cake, but wanting all the flavor of it.

In the past post I made an observation that it is better driving and it is ,,In the above post I stated it's for profit..Just making a comment to this thread that we are a nation of less employees (human or personal contact) and more machines.

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Speed Cameras

Perhaps the thing to do is put up a candidate whose one political commitment is to eliminate the speed cameras & see how the rest of the populace reacts. It could get a number of existing politicians to reconsider their position.

Fred

what cameras?

bronc wrote:

Drove to Phoenix Yesterday and on I10 east bound coming into Phoenix we passed over 15 speed cameras in a 25 mile span of road. I had just updated my camera list. Half of the cameras were not on the list. I know everybody here is updating the list as fast as they can. You could end up up with 15 speeding tickets in the mail after you go through Phoenix. BEWARE!!!

What cameras were not on the list? AFAIK the list is very accurate.

You can also double check with radarrover.com to see what they have.

Maybe you saw some mobile radar units?

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http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626 - red light cameras do not work

radarrover ?

I have joined radarrover and it is a good site but it is not an up to date site as I have gone and checked there location to what is out there and from the poi factory and they are missing alot of the cameras redlight and speed. Also the roving cameras info is off. They do the best they can but nothing beats the poi factory info.

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Alternative methods

Quote:

I say we nuke the cams from space...it's the only way to be sure...

This is the treatment some speed cams get in the UK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dq_uCsTiKE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bw2C_XR64Y&feature=related

(Warning: there are a few words in the second that some may find objectionable - though maybe not as objectionable as the protagonists found the cams!)

It is all about the $$$, if

It is all about the $$$, if it was for anything else, they would inforce that the ticket goes against your record and in AZ, the speed traps are merely a civil fine and no points.... Isn't that CRAP...

Mesa Speed cameras

I will also be heading to Phoenix first part of April. In particular Mesa. I will be on the freeways so I will be keeping close to the limit. After traveling through there last year and seeing the speeding, I can't blame them for the new batch of cameras. However if you do the limit then you get rear ended!! It will take awhile for the speeding to come down and in the mean time it will cost everyone money.

Bob

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that bites! We have tons of

that bites! We have tons of redlight cams here in houston. Not that I would ever run one. I hope we never install speed cameras.

I would use my cruise control if everyone else going slow, putting on makeup, chatting, on their cell, reading the paper, swatting at the kids, etc., would get out of the passing lane. =)

As a 40 year resident

Bob,

As a 40 year resident of Tempe, I recommend when you travel here in April, stay out of the HOV and passing lanes. Many snowbirds and locals think those lanes are for sightseeing and many do nearly get rear-ended or at the very least tail-gated.

On some of the camera covered freeways in parts of the Valley, speeds are definitely decreasing. You might notice the difference from other visits here.

Try to drive like I do here around Phoenix, close your eyes and push the pedal to the limit!

Yeah - I just got tagged

Yeah - I just got tagged with one of these on the I-10. I was unfamiliar with the area and was a little lost. I (and 5 other cars) were stuck behind an idiot driving 40mph in the carpool lane at noon. I pulled into the next lane and sped up to 65 to pass the line and was 1/2 way through when I realized my exit was in 1/4 mile either on the right (4 lanes over) on through the carpool lane that was occupied by this idiot. Instead of being stupid I simply sped up to pass the rest of the line of cars to make the exit thus keeping from acting in a reckless manner and darting across 4 lanes of traffic.

The ticket came and the citation is for 'failure to operate vehicle in a reasonable and prudent manner'. Excuse me? How can a stationary camera determine that I was unsafe or imprudently operating the vehicle? In my opinion I was doing the safe and prudent thing to pass.

I am going to court and will fight this. This is just stupid. If the ticket had simply been 'exceeding the maximum posted speed' or 'failure to follow posted signs' I would simply pay it. I am not going to accept that I was not safe. Sorry, Phoenix - you aren't getting an extra 'tax' out of me this month!

Phoenix - Land of pick pocket politicians

While I agree that I10 and the top of the loop 101 have definately slowed down since the cameras, I also see alot of people driving faster between the cameras and then hitting the brakes at the cameras. This causes a "dominoe" affect on the highway with everyone then hitting the brakes. First off.. take your foot off of the gas. the vehicle will slow down, and pay attention to those around you.

This "city" has decided to impose fines and taxes on anyting it deems to be "morally objectionalbe" See increase in liquor and cigarette taxes and will fine you for things to make money.

Where are the officers to ticket the cars weaving in and out of traffic and then braking for cameras? A real person would ticket the menace a camera is ignorant to these more dangerous offenses.

Check the Code You Were Cited Under

twelfelt wrote:

The ticket came and the citation is for 'failure to operate vehicle in a reasonable and prudent manner'. Excuse me? How can a stationary camera determine that I was unsafe or imprudently operating the vehicle? In my opinion I was doing the safe and prudent thing to pass.

I am going to court and will fight this. This is just stupid. If the ticket had simply been 'exceeding the maximum posted speed' or 'failure to follow posted signs' I would simply pay it. I am not going to accept that I was not safe. Sorry, Phoenix - you aren't getting an extra 'tax' out of me this month!

The wording for a speeding charge in Arizona (that is not criminal, school zone, or waste of finite resources) is "Reasonable and Prudent Speed". It's charged under Arizona Revised Statute 28-701A. You can read up on it at http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/2.... While I see your concern over the wording, if the citation came under 28-701A, it IS for exceeding the speed limit. They only word it this way so that you can be cited for traveling faster than is reasonably prudent for the location, conditions and hazards or potential hazards that may exist. Most of the time, that would be exceeding the posted speed limit. I'd hate to see you go into court and incur additional court fees just over an argument on the wording. Judges are not sympathetic to the argument. Incidentally, this is the same violation that is charged if you fail to control your speed and rear end someone.

Also, all of the cameras have video that continuously records and not just still photographs. If you go to court, prior to your appearance make a request for disclosure of all of the camera records to include the video at the time of your violation. It's public record and if you subpoena it, you can use it as evidence in your case (if it doesn't show you doing something you wouldn't want the judge seeing.)

As for the extra tax you mentioned, if you got the citation from a camera on the freeway, then the City of Phoenix has nothing to do with it. They are run by the State of Arizona and cited into the Justice Courts. Technically, the state would get your "tax." Good Luck!

Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves>>>

bronc wrote:

Drove to Phoenix Yesterday and on I10 east bound coming into Phoenix we passed over 15 speed cameras in a 25 mile span of road. I had just updated my camera list. Half of the cameras were not on the list. I know everybody here is updating the list as fast as they can. You could end up up with 15 speeding tickets in the mail after you go through Phoenix. BEWARE!!!

these despicable a$$hats that are ruling this country should all taste the lash before being drummed into the high desert.

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Two issues regarding the

Two issues regarding the speed cameras:

1. An easier approach to "fighting it in court" is to not respond to the mailed out ticket. They will send you two notices then try to personally serve you a summons at your registered address, possibly a couple times. Don't respond to the mailings in ANY way and don't answer the door when they show up. They have 120 days to serve you then you are all good. Don't believe the veiled threats of suspending your registration in the mailed tickets, they can't do that and they won't. Or, register your vehicles at a P.O. Box and they won't even mail the tickets out.

2. Anyone who says that the speed cameras in Phoenix has made driving better and smoother and safer doesn't drive in Phoenix. I have personally witnesses accidents CAUSED by the cameras when people slam on their brakes when they see the cameras. There are currently statistics being released showing an increase in accidents in some areas, credited to the cameras. Anyone who thinks that these cameras have ANYTHING to do with safety is a fool. Money is the only motivating factor in these devices. As a previous poster mentioned, there is already legistlative action in the works to eliminate them here and I'm confident it will be successful. One county sheriff to the north of Phoenix already banned them in his county. Be patient, give it a year or so and they will be gone. Or they will be properly recalibrated to get the 20+ mph violaters like they should have been, not the 10+ people. That would go a long ways toward the safety argument.

phxflyboy

p.s. For more info on what to do with the photo radar tickets you get, go here: http://www.photoradarlaw.com/index.html

No, I'm not affiliated with them, I just used the info and was happy with the results. Yes, she is trying to sell a book but you don't need it, just go to the "Self Help" tab and read the F.A.Q., it has all the info you need.

Speed Cameras Obsolete?

If you think Phoenix cameras are bad, then look at what's coming.

Black box that tracks every mile you drive and will make speed cameras obsolete

http://tinyurl.com/c5nm4v

Tests of components making up this system are already being developed and deployed in the US. They haven't been linked together yet, but the first operational deployments should be within 3 years. The Federal Highway Administration recently rebranded the technology as "Intellidrive."

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Announced April 1 over 300 more speed cameras for Phoenix!

A local radio station announced April 1st the Phoenix mayor was in Washington and had gotten stimulus monies to install an additional 350 cameras in the Phoenix area. The radio's website had a link showing locations at practically every intersection.
It was also announced on April 1st the state's new Fast Pass System allowing drivers to prepay up to 5 camera violations at a discount over individual occurances.

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Here is the link

http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=1112673

It was an APRIL FOOLS joke put on by KTAR.

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That Would Make Sense

phxflyboy wrote:

Or they will be properly recalibrated to get the 20+ mph violaters like they should have been, not the 10+ people. That would go a long ways toward the safety argument.

I agree, but it would make sense and we'll have none of that in our legislature!

Phoenix Cameras

I drive the I10 frequently and after the 25 or so miles of fixed cameras, just when you think you have passed them all, they have been parking the mobile cameras....particularly in the construction areas where the speed limit drops from 65 to 55. I just set the cruise control anytime traveling on the I10.

Camera

That is crazy! I wonder if they have a limit on how many tickets the average mail box will hold at one time.

I'm OK with them *if*....

1. They are only used for speeding tickets and not lane change or other "you had to be there" judgement calls such as "it was a rainy day so you should have been driving slower",etc;
2. They are set for at least 15 MPH above the posted speed limit;
3. Driver is clearly identified along with vehicle.
4. Video is available, not still photo only, and can be produced in court if challenged;
5. An independant third party routinely tests and certifies that the camera system is accurate and works properly and such certification is provided with the ticket and in court.

Otherwise, I'm not OK with it. wink

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Speed & Red light camera

These company operated these "legal money printer" located in Arizona, so there no question why so many in there!
Despite the economy downturn, people still have to drive and got ticket, so watch out and don't let them ripped you off and may be they will bankrupt next year like some other town they have to shutdown the system because not enough ticket to cover the expense.

Tickets getting dismissed...

A friend of mine gave me notice that a judge (JP) in Peoria, AZ (I think it is the lake pleasant JP) doens't agree with the photo radar tickets and is dismissing them when being fought in his court...

My buddy got his dismissed while waiting in line and never even had to go before the judge...

Pass the word, if you can transfer your ticket to this jusdge, you may have a better outcome...

Getting Dismissed?

13iznitch wrote:

A friend of mine gave me notice that a judge (JP) in Peoria, AZ (I think it is the lake pleasant JP) doens't agree with the photo radar tickets and is dismissing them when being fought in his court...

My buddy got his dismissed while waiting in line and never even had to go before the judge...

Pass the word, if you can transfer your ticket to this jusdge, you may have a better outcome...

Not after posting it on the internet, they won't... wink

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Is it just Phoenix... or all of AZ

I'll be on my bike in AZ in a few months. I will NOT be in the greater Phoenix area. Is there a bunch of speed cameras outside of Phoenix?

Thanks,
Tim

It's the whole state

Y_I_Work wrote:

I'll be on my bike in AZ in a few months. I will NOT be in the greater Phoenix area. Is there a bunch of speed cameras outside of Phoenix?

Thanks,
Tim

Oh yeh! Notice the AAA has declared the entire state of Arizona a speed trap. Notices are being added to member requests for Arizona maps telling them to be particularly careful with speeds in the state.

The worst is Scottsdale so if you're there just match your speed to whatever the signs indicate it should be whether it seems improbably slow or not.

Cheers

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Thanks

Well... bad news. But thanks. I'll be Riding the NE corner (including 4 corners), Holbrook, and Springerville, and the Coronado trail. From what I've read about AZ enforcement capabilities, I guess if I get any tickets in the mail, I should tear them up and dispose of them.

My biggest fear about the speed cameras is not get a ticket.... it is getting a dozen tickets after the fact. I think I'm pretty normal in becoming a more conservative driver/rider after receiving a citation. The fact that I wouldn't get that 'wake up call' is truly a disturbing concept to me.

Thanks,
Tim (Y_I_Work)

Thank you!

Wow, i haven't been to Phoenix for a while know and i had no idea they had so many cameras now. Thanks so much for the info.

Phoenix Cams

I've been down here for a week on a trip and even saw them setting up a new camera along the freeway. The GPS goes off about every second intersection. I haven't seen any that don't trigger but I'm sure there are out there. It will take awhile to inventory all the new ones. I'm out of here on Sunday so I don't need to think about them until perhaps next year but for the locals it is drive slow or smile!

Bob

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Cams

They have lost there freaking mind out here. Not only the fixed Cams but they have the stupid DPS mobile cams all over the dang place too. I wouldn't really care as much except that if the Cam gets a speeder from out of country they don't even both with the ticket..THAT SUCKS!! 30%-50% of the Idiots speeding and running redlights are from Mexico!

Cameras from Buckey to Scottsdale

I could not believe the number of speed cameras along the 10 and 101 Loop coming in from Palm Desert. Glad I have my Garmin GPS updated for the latest locations.
JeffSh

totally wrong

speed cameras and redlight cameras are totally UN-AMERICAN !!!!

cant stand it. i heard that most of the money that is collected from thses speed cameras and red light cameras dont even go to the local governments that installed these things.

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Take heed?

If you don't like these cameras, you should be protesting to your local governments.

Look to Europe, where the Brits and French have gone on speedcam binges and see what the locals are doing . . . . I'm not suggesting that anyone here emulate the Europeans, but perhaps local governments should remain cognizant of the fact that THEY work for US?

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2121.asp

For example:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7a5659df7

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Just back from staying in

Just back from staying in Chandler. Driving I10 and I17 is indeed in my opinion more dangerous with those mobile speed cameras present. You are cruising along at around the speed limit and all of a sudden everyone is slowing down well below it. Speed up and slow down. Had I not been there to see it for myself I would have thought jrsny was exaggerating. He isn't.

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I would reconsider

If slowing 5 or 10 mph (without prior notice) was so challenging for me I would reconsider my decision to drive a car.

For All Of Those Perfect Drivers Out There

hercegovac wrote:

If slowing 5 or 10 mph (without prior notice) was so challenging for me I would reconsider my decision to drive a car.

If there weren't any redlight/speed cameras I wouldn't need the POI's for them.

Because of them, I have to change my driving and be extra careful of other drivers who freak out when they see a speed camera.

If I drove the speed limit all of the time, I wouldn't have to worry about the speed cameras or mobile units.

If I would do my research, I wouldn't need a GPS to get where I need to go.

If I drive slowly enough, I can stop at ALL yellow lights and not risk running a redlight.

If I drive at or below the speed limit, made successful stops on all yellow lights, knew where every single address was, knew where all of the speed and redlight cameras are located.... I wouldn't need a GPS, I wouldn't need the redlight/speed camera POI's and I wouldn't have to read snide remarks like the one above or the other similar ones by the self rightous on here.

If I could only reply to a post with a demeaning remark, I would reconsider posting a reply.

Give it a rest. What do you think this site is for?

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JoeAnne wrote:

When I arrived home from Dallas auto insurance I saw in my mail more than 15 tickets from the same day but only 1 min distance from each other. That means that there were like 15 cameras on the highway and this is just not right for me.

That sounds like it was double jeapardy - you can only be charged with speeding ONCE, since you, in fact were not slowing and accelerating between tickets.

I'd personally consult a lawyer, then if it made sense, sue Redflex and the local government for psychological harrassment.

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The cameras are good for out of state drivers.

AZ won't mail a non-moving violation notice to IL. I guess that means I can speed through all of Phoenix and not worry about my IL plates or license being at risk.

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Holy Cow

dave817 wrote:

AZ won't mail a non-moving violation notice to IL. I guess that means I can speed through all of Phoenix and not worry about my IL plates or license being at risk.

What a total major victory for you dave:))
All you have to do is drive from St Charles IL, to Phoenix AZ (1701 miles one way according to MapQuest) and then back again with your IL plated transportation mode and speed all you want in Phoenix. Also, lets factor in that the drive there and back will take about 50 hours out of your life as well, unless you speed in route too. Boy that sure will teach them, huh? I wonder if you get pulled over for speeding by an AZ trooper, will you still have the same measured feeling of utopia?

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