Red Light- You be the judge

 

The Orange County Register had this video on-line today-- The driver in the white car, following the truck, got a ticket for running a red light. He claims he did not run the light and plans to fight it in court.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/light-red-video-2307334-f...

Pretty close to really call.

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He did it

It was pretty close, but the light turned red just before he entered the intersection or at least what I consider "intersection".

Hard to tell there but I

Hard to tell there but I think we all know that red light cameras are just a way to increase revenue for a city or county, same with speed traps. if you look at where they are compared to where teh accidents normally take place you'll see the answers surface very fast

I didnt see a shot of his

I didnt see a shot of his car before the stop line and the light red -- so he may very well have ran a red, but I think there's sufficient "doubt" that he can fight it.

Hmm.

Interesting, but I think Chuck will loose. Maybe. Probably.

If we knew the duration of yellow-to-red light, the video frame speed, and the intersection distance it would be more revealing. But, since it was yellow in frame1, red in frame2, and considering he's closing in on the truck with each passing frame....

I'd be PO'ed if it was me, but I'd pay up. Gotta resist that adrenalin sometimes, imo.

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Yea he ran the light

If you look between 0:12 and 0:13 you'll see the light go from yellow to red, and the car in question at 0:12 had not even crossed into the intersection as of yet,so yes he ran the light.
All of the frames don't ever show the light as green.

My problem as I have said many times before, It's not if a person deserves a ticket, it's that it should be written by a police officer especially with unemployment the way it is today. And everyone has the right to face his or her accuser and not the city prosecutor representing the camera in a court with a Judge

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Probably Not The Only Camera

California red light cams typically show both the front and rear of the car as it crosses the limit line along with the color of the light. The front photo will show the face of the driver (along with the front license plate) the rear cam shows the rear plate and color of the light. I'm thinking the camera shots shown aren't the only ones available and are actually just frames from an ordinary traffic (security) cam.

However, if the frames shown were the only ones in evidence and the front wheels passing the limit line 'might' have beat the red the driver could get off based on reasonable doubt.

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Real close

It's hard to say since, as others have said, I don't know the green-to-yellow-to-red intervals. To me, I think he ran it and should pay.

However, I do know that if he had the Red Light POI, he should have known better than to try...

video

i remember when i got a ticket for running a red. they had still pics and crystal clear video of me running the red. too much evidence, there was no escaping, i got busted man.

Instant replay

Looks like when you slow down the video it shows that he ran the light. As a police officer myself I wouldn't have stopped that car, let alone write a ticket.

He Ran it

His rear wheels still in the crosswalk on red he was not in the intersection.

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If anything it looks like a

If anything it looks like a very fast yellow light considering I didn't even see it.

Front, Not Rear

ramcruzer wrote:

His rear wheels still in the crosswalk on red he was not in the intersection.

RC,

In California (and I suspect most other states) it's the front wheels that count. If they roll past the first broad stripe of the crosswalk (limit line) after the light turns red then the car has entered the intersection and is in violation.

Technically a driver can even be cited if they stop completely for the light (or a stop sign) but the front wheels are past that line. I know of at least one person who got a ticket (school zone) for that very thing. She stopped but was considered in the intersection since her front tires crossed the line, in this case it was actually a solid line a couple of feet behind the crosswalk.

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I think he ran the light

It's hard to tell without being able to accurately go frame by frame, but it looks like it turned red before he entered the intersection. I'm not sure of the definition in California, but here in IL the definition is "you cannot ENTER the intersection after the light turns red." And entering would be the front wheels going past the cross-walk.

Really close. It all

Really close. It all depends on what kinda mood the judge is in I guess. smile Could go either way.

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Ran...

Compare the position of the signal on the right where the lights are attached to the pole, to the light in question. The signal is attached right about the yellow with the red lamp just above the horizontal pole. From that you can see that the light goes from yellow to red as he enters the intersection, not green to yellow as he claims. Sorry...it's red when he enters. The video is better than the photos.

He was also flying through that intersection obviously trying to beat the yellow. Watch his position relative to the pickup truck...

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If he goes to court to fight it....

I think the death penalty is in order.

Give him the chair! grin

Cams

BobDee wrote:

My problem as I have said many times before, It's not if a person deserves a ticket, it's that it should be written by a police officer especially with unemployment the way it is today. And everyone has the right to face his or her accuser and not the city prosecutor representing the camera in a court with a Judge

This time I'm going to have to completely agree with you. Diligent police officers should be writing the tickets....not cameras where a lot of the fine goes to the companies that make them. And if municipalities are going to be using cams, they should buy and own them outright.

What if say Ford supplied police cruisers with the stipulation they get 50% of fines from all tickets written from each car? Then Motorola gets 10% for supplying the police radios, etc. Hmmm...maybe if you think about it, that's a way to bail out the automakers!

Sped up

In the first shot that car is more than a car length behind the truck. In the last shot, his front is at the truck's back wheels. That driver sped up to beat the light and will lose because cities love these revenue makers.

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Judgment

As a lapse of judgment, this is pretty benign. Did his front wheel touch the white line before or after the light turned red? Can't tell from the video, really. Did his actions pose a hazard? Definitely not.

Would it have been more unsafe had he slammed on his brakes? Yes.

So, given inconclusive evidence, and having taken the better of the two options presented, I'd let him skate. That video certainly proves nothing.

Red Light

Hi,

From what I can see he ran the red light. However, additional video should be provided that shows the complete sequence. Green, duration of the yellow light and the changeover to red.

Mike

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