Garmin's new lifetime maps program may start October 15th

 
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Lifetime

This subscription is for the lifetime you use a particular unit. You cannot transfer this "Lifetime" subscription to another unit if you decide to upgrade.

Stolen Unit

Q: what happens if a GPS gets stolen ?
A : service not normally transferable

Implying that the service remains with the unit.

So if someone steals a Garmin with lifetime map upgrades, the thief will continue to recieve map updates.

This should end well.

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Nuvi 750, Mapsource, Trimble 5700/5800 (at work) "Too many people I know have been educated beyond their intelligence" - Arthur C. Clarke

Garmin feeling the pressure, Competition makes the market better

All I can say is it's about time, Garmin is feeling the pressure around them and had to do this. the problem is typical of Garmin, " THE PRICE " is outlandish as usual.

geocamp,
As far as theft is concerned, Take your GPSr out of your car and carry it with you ,and turn on the garmin lock. Then you don't have to worry about a thief having free map updates. Its really that easy!

And yes it should end very well once they introduce lifetime updates here in the United States Market.

Bob

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Using Android Based GPS.The above post and my sig reflects my own opinions, expressed for the purpose of informing or inspiring, not commanding. Naturally, you are free to reject or embrace whatever you read.

Subscription?

I just looked at this program on Garmins site and I did not see anything about a subscription service. It looked to me as if all Garmin was doing is clarifying the upgrade status on new units when an map update becomes available, for example if you are on a waiting list for a 7x5 unit and the next update is not until Apr then you are SOL and breakout the credit card.

There are two new mapping programs...

mourton wrote:

I just looked at this program on Garmins site and I did not see anything about a subscription service.

Read the forum message at the link in the first post. The "Lifetime Maps" program was announced at the Mondial 2008 car show in Paris but not yet officially at the Garmin website.

What you were likely reading about at the Garmin website was regarding the "nuMaps Guarantee".

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Maps

Not for me I've upgraded 2 this year alone that is nuvi units.

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Maps

It might be better in the long run to just buy a new one considering the drastic price drops I've seen on GPS units, at least at Fry's-not Garmin, but Sony and such. Factor in the cost of the upgrade, the lack of transferability, and Murphy's law that it will need replacing the day after you buy the lifetime sub. After hearing about the problems with the switch on the Nuvi's, I'm a little leery about the long term survival of the unit. Mine's good, but I'm already wishing for a larger screen-the map's a real bear to read when I'm trying to plot a trip across town here in Chicago on a 3.5 inch screen.

im going to sit back a see

im going to sit back a see what happens. garmin and the problem with the 7 series maks me want to wait and see.

if it's not transferable

if it's not transferable subscription, I think it's waste of money.

not worth it

The nuvi 650 is currently $215, I'd rather get one of those than a map update. And to tell you the truth, having uploaded the 2k9 map, it's very inaccurate as far as anything that has changed even more than a year ago, such as the fact the airport is closed to through traffic (has been over 2 years yet the 2k9 map tries to send you through it).

An efficient way to do things would be to receive an incremental change, not a complete one. Seriously, of course, things change year to year, but in reality, how many things in the map changes for our own personal regions?

+1

volkan888 wrote:

if it's not transferable subscription, I think it's waste of money.

nt

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"You can't get there from here"

Probably not a good deal

Since I didn't even pay that much for my Garmin, I doubt I'll be paying for the lifetime subscription. I don't really know what updating the maps does for you anyway. What do they change from one year to the next to make it so expensive? My Garmin came with the 2009 maps, and I have already noticed that a road close to my house isn't even on the maps. when I drive on it, it looks like an open field. I've lived here for 3 1/2 years, and that road has been there at least since then (and most likely for decades). I think the updates should be free, or at least a lot cheaper.

We will put up the money

Garmin knows its customers will put up the money anyway. It has a loyal customer base (just read the Garmin love fest on this site). Garmn seems to think that all they need is throw out some idea and the customers will throw money into it. When its customers begin to vote with their feet (and put their money into their own pockets), maybe Garmin will rethink some of these ideas.

No Thanks

No transfer makes this a non-starter.

I'm sure features will improve with new units. Why would I box myself in to keeping this model? The smart thing would be to allow transfers. They would make more $$ by selling you a new unit every 2 years and transferring the map subscription to a new unit. This would make it more likely that a customer would choose a new Garmin as a replacement unit rather than the competition.

I have the 2008 maps, and streets that have been in my neighborhood since 2005, are still not listed. There is no guarantee that shelling out the money will make the streets appear any faster than they appear today.

My prediction is that the market will force free map updates. Think about it, you don't have to pay google to add your street to google maps. They have to do it to keep up with the competition. You're already seeing GPS integration to google maps. I can add a restaurant from google maps to your GPS, why not a street.

Maybe I'm wrong, but either way, In a year or 2 I'll apply the 119 towards my next unit. The new unit will have new maps and new features. It might be a Garmin, it might not. It might even have a full listing of the streets in my neighborhood.

Garmin should really

Garmin should really consider a transferrable lifetime update option, with only one active unit at a time. This would help keep customers, because I'd surely buy another Garmin when it comes time to replace my GPS if I know I can get map updates at any time. Otherwise, I'll consider other brands when it comes time to replace my unit. With the pricing of the cheaper units, it doesn't make sense to buy lifetime updates that are only good for one unit - I'll just end up replacing this nuvi in a few years after it's beat up and old.

My thoughts almost exactly!

Reading through the posts here, I knew what I wanted to add. Since the post before mine basically touched upon all of my points, I'll just quote it and say, "ditto".

Surely Garmin has a loyal customer base, but a lot of us have upgraded our units over time. Today's top-notch technologically advanced units become next year's (maybe two years...) top values. Owners may purchase a map upgrade the next year or the year after, but how long will most hold on to older GPSr when a newer unit may be less costly than the cost of a lifetime upgrade and come with a newer map to boot?

Rob

importvenom wrote:

Garmin should really consider a transferrable lifetime update option, with only one active unit at a time. This would help keep customers, because I'd surely buy another Garmin when it comes time to replace my GPS if I know I can get map updates at any time. Otherwise, I'll consider other brands when it comes time to replace my unit. With the pricing of the cheaper units, it doesn't make sense to buy lifetime updates that are only good for one unit - I'll just end up replacing this nuvi in a few years after it's beat up and old.

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Maps -> Wife -> Garmin 12XL -> StreetPilot 2610 -> Nuvi 660 (blown speaker) -> Nuvi 3790LMT

Not for me

I don't think I'll opt for the lifetime updates. It's just not worth the price.

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GPSMAP 76CSx - nüvi 760 - nüvi 200 - GPSMAP 78S

All and good, but what

All and good, but what happens to the poor suckers who bought units that can not be upgraded. For example in the past the 330C was a great unit. When the 2k9 maps came out they would not fit on the 330. What about your lifetime subscription for a unit that you bought the sub for that can not be upgraded due to a GARMIN hardware limitation?

Righto

importvenom wrote:

Garmin should really consider a transferrable lifetime update option, with only one active unit at a time. This would help keep customers, because I'd surely buy another Garmin when it comes time to replace my GPS if I know I can get map updates at any time. Otherwise, I'll consider other brands when it comes time to replace my unit. With the pricing of the cheaper units, it doesn't make sense to buy lifetime updates that are only good for one unit - I'll just end up replacing this nuvi in a few years after it's beat up and old.

This would be a much more customer-friendly offering, and really at minimal cost to Garmin. They have to spend a lot sending out the discs for the free upgrades on new units, and this really would encourage brand loyalty. Are they making ANY money selling the maps anyway? Seems to me the bucks are in the hardware, and if you've got someone hooked for THEIR life, not the UNIT's life then they'll just keep buying Garmin. If you have the "lifetime" maps under this proposal and you want to buy a new GPS, you have ZERO incentive to stick with Garmin, and possibly are even pissed off at them if you realize too late your lifetime maps aren't transferable.

I agree with you, thrak.

I agree with you, thrak.

Free Traffic Comes with some strings

It seems that Garmin's life time free traffic comes with some strings. When you are stopped for more than 10 sec, a commercial will show on your screen.
More details can be found at the following link:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/10/free-traffic.h...

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Map Subscription

It seems to me that there was a good deal of discussion on this site when the 2009 maps were coming out about wishing there was a reasonably priced subscription service for maps or that the price would be lowered from the normal $69 per year for an updated map. $115 for a lifetime subscription with quarterly updates seems pretty reasonable to me (providing they actually have quarterly updates).

subscription

i still think for the price that we're paying for the unit, we should get the map updates for free for the lifetime of the gps unit.

thanks for the info

thanks for the info

Map Subscription

spullis wrote:

It seems to me that there was a good deal of discussion on this site when the 2009 maps were coming out about wishing there was a reasonably priced subscription service for maps or that the price would be lowered from the normal $69 per year for an updated map. $115 for a lifetime subscription with quarterly updates seems pretty reasonable to me (providing they actually have quarterly updates).

I agree. I have already paid for two upgrades and if the lifetime subscription had been available, the next one on would be free. However, I also agree with those who talk about the ability to transfer the lifetime maps to another unit. It would be a great marketing move on Garmin's part to lock in customers to their hardware. Another way to do that would be to provide a discount on future purchases when you purchase the lifetime maps.

Since my unit is already over two years old, it doesn't make sense for me to invest in the lifetime maps at this time. I will probably also forgo the next map update.

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Garmin StreetPilot c530, Mapsource

That's no surprise

DrewDT wrote:

This subscription is for the lifetime you use a particular unit. You cannot transfer this "Lifetime" subscription to another unit if you decide to upgrade.

That's no surprise. I thought it was too godd to be true.

hmmm

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i still think for the price that we're paying for the unit, we should get the map updates for free for the lifetime of the gps unit.

Considering how much a new car costs, gas should be free, I don't understand why it isn't. And for the amount I pay for my mortgage, I should be getting free heat and utilities. I was dumb to overpay, and not get those freebies in writing.

Hmmm? Apples and Oranges?

mike_s wrote:
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i still think for the price that we're paying for the unit, we should get the map updates for free for the lifetime of the gps unit.

Considering how much a new car costs, gas should be free, I don't understand why it isn't. And for the amount I pay for my mortgage, I should be getting free heat and utilities. I was dumb to overpay, and not get those freebies in writing.

If the car included gas as an option, it is reasonable to expect that and if I rented/bought a house (with heat and utilities), I should expect that as well. If the maps were not included in the GPSrs and we were to buy them as an accessory, then our expectations may be wrong. How much updates are really in those UPDATES? Really? There are legions of complaints about exclusions or outdated POIS. I should pay for those for a LIFETIME?

Lifetime? How long is that on a disposable GPS from Garmin?

Since most Garmins these days come with non-user-replaceable batteries which require sending the unit back to Garmin to "refurbish" for $150 (plus postage) it means that after 2 or 3 years maximum your garmin is junk, and not worth "fixing" since it will be out of date anyhow.

Am I going to pay $150 (plus shipping) to fix my $130 Nuvi200's battery when it inevitably goes dead?

Why buy a lifetime update for something that is basically considered to be disposable junk even by its manufacturer.

Don't get me wrong. I like the Garmin's GUI, and they make nice units. But in a few years Garmin's consumer GPS division is going to be out of business because we will all be carrying around hiptop computers that are phones, PC's, GPS's, Video/music players, Game stations, Still and video cameras.

The newest crop of smartphones are already almost there. I don't plan on replacing this Garmin with another. I plan on replacing it with an open-source superphone.

Garmin has got to know this. They'll still make high-end GPS's for aircraft and watercraft, but the consumer market is going to change radically in the next few years and they've got to make their money NOW on it before it goes away. That's why they are nickle and diming us to death on their GPS's while they still can.

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Ride the World

Lifetime maps

I had mentioned before about hoping Garmin would offer some sort of quarterly map updates subscription service.

I don't mind mind a lifetime subscription, but I think it would be more reasonable to include a "one time" move to a new unit.

At $115 for the lifetime, verses $60 for each upgrade each year it would be a wash as far as the costs. But... that is assuming you are the type of user who upgrades each year when new maps come out. If so, you make out on the lifetime deal on your third upgrade. If not, you don't make out. And if your unit breaks or you buy a new one, you lose.
It's like buying insurance, it's a gamble if you use it or not and if it's worth it to you.

My biggest complaint is the cost for me to buy updates for my THREE Garmin units. I would like to see Garmin offer a price break on the maps based on how many updates you purchase and match them up to your registered units.

Tim

I'll pass. Roads don't

I'll pass. Roads don't change that much and I have a feeling these will get so inexpensive in 2-3 years it won't be worth it as we will start upgrading every year or two.

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not worth it

I agree. I have the 2008 map and it doesn't recognize the roads in an industrial complex where I work. It just shows a blank screen. the complex has been there for over 10 years.

Garmin has to pay for the maps!

A couple thoughts.

First, I think everyone here tends to forgot (or not realize) is that WE (this web site's participants) do not represent that vast majority of Garmin's consumer automobile use GPS units (e.g the nuvi line). Most users of Garmin's GPSs are probably not even aware of the concept of being able to put in custom POI files. And like custom POI files, most users probably do not know that the maps are upgradable and possible don't care and wouldn't be interested anyway if their current maps seem to work ok most of the time.

So it is hard to say that a lifetime transferable map update program would result in a lot of Garmin GPS buying loyalty. Yes, in our small group it might, but if you look at all the units coming off the shelves at your local Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. 95% of those sales are likely to people who don't care about map updates, won't buy map updates, and will buy their next GPS based on whatever deal or sale is currently going on when theirs breaks, is stolen, battery no longer works, etc.

Second, the other thing people tend to forgot (or not realize) is that Garmin does not own the Maps they sell. They have to buy the maps from the map companies. And I am sure their price is dictated by how many units they sell (e.g. they might have a flat rate, but they more likely pay a royalty or license fee on each Map or Map update they install or sell.

So it is very easy for people here to say Garmin should just give out free map updates or provide monthly/quarterly/yearly updates for a low price or whatever, but that doesn't consider the money Garmin has to pay back to the Map company for the map product and how much it will cost Garmin to provide quarterly updates vs. yearly or how much they pay per update versus the subscription price they get in return from the customer.

Anyway, the point is Garmin does not own the maps and so they are not free for them to ship out to who ever, whenever. These cost Garmin real money to provide updated maps.

Cheers,
PT

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Garmin nüvi 200 (my first GPS), 780, & 3700 Series. And a Mac user.

Updated Maps

If they do not transfer between units, I agree with many here, that it is probably better to upgrade the unit when the time comes and get the newest maps with it.

I am around the D.C. Metro area and I rarely find myself on a street not located on the Garmin map. By the time I think I will need updated maps, it will probably worth my money to buy a new unit anyway.

The question is what do you NEED a GPS for?

I don't use my GPS to drive around my neighbourhood or drive to places I already know how to get to. So I am not overly concerned that it doesn't have the new street down the block. However I just returned from an extended trip to Phoenix and Las Vegas, and I am sure that my Garmin doesn't have a lot of new streets or neighbourhoods in these rapidly expanding cities. I would still be trying to get off the Interstate in Phoenix or wandering aimlessly in North Las Vegas looking for the Aliante Golf Course without the help of my nuvi.

So the real question regarding updates is not one of cost (new unit versus $120 subscription) but one of value (what do you really need your GPS for?).

The POI files on this site are much more practical to me than an annual or lifteime map update from the manufacturer. I am more appreciative of the help provided by the members of this forum than I am about getting updates from Garmin.

road changes

thepro8 wrote:

I'll pass. Roads don't change that much and I have a feeling these will get so inexpensive in 2-3 years it won't be worth it as we will start upgrading every year or two.

I guess you don't live in the Northeast...NAVTEQ was pretty quick to make changes to the BigDig in Boston and I will assume they will make the same changes to I-95 in Providence when its re-route is finished next year. Roads change daily up here and they so far have been right on top of it. If you live in an area they don't change, than of course it isn't worth it, but up here...

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Garmin Quest/Quest2/Nuvi660/Nuvi755T

traffic with ads...

gwr50 wrote:

It seems that Garmin's life time free traffic comes with some strings. When you are stopped for more than 10 sec, a commercial will show on your screen.
More details can be found at the following link:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/10/free-traffic.html?EXTKEY=I72RSC0

You are a bit off topic, but since you did...

Always wait for real users before you judge...I have been playing with my new 775T and LOVE it. The ads are so not invasive and as all the reviews state, they only appear when you have been stopped for more than 10 secs. Once you start moving again (which for me is when I look at the GPS) they disappear immediately. The only complaint that i have is that I can barely receive a NAVTEQ signal and am using my old traffic receiver from my 660 until the subscription runs out. But I did get this response from Garmin today...

"Please note that we are in the process of making a life time traffic subscription available for our units. We should be coming out with this subscription policy in a month or two. You will be able to purchase the subscription through our website."

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naaaa

no I dont thank so. Pass on this one
Jolleyr

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Southern CA Temp 76 and Sunny. Running around with my Nuvi 465T. Getting lost around the country and loving it.

Battery Usage and Lifetime Maps

Serenityvalley wrote:

Since most Garmins these days come with non-user-replaceable batteries which require sending the unit back to Garmin to "refurbish" for $150 (plus postage) it means that after 2 or 3 years maximum your garmin is junk, and not worth "fixing" since it will be out of date anyhow.

Am I going to pay $150 (plus shipping) to fix my $130 Nuvi200's battery when it inevitably goes dead?

Why buy a lifetime update for something that is basically considered to be disposable junk even by its manufacturer.

Don't get me wrong. I like the Garmin's GUI, and they make nice units. But in a few years Garmin's consumer GPS division is going to be out of business because we will all be carrying around hiptop computers that are phones, PC's, GPS's, Video/music players, Game stations, Still and video cameras.

The newest crop of smartphones are already almost there. I don't plan on replacing this Garmin with another. I plan on replacing it with an open-source superphone.

Garmin has got to know this. They'll still make high-end GPS's for aircraft and watercraft, but the consumer market is going to change radically in the next few years and they've got to make their money NOW on it before it goes away. That's why they are nickle and diming us to death on their GPS's while they still can.

Question, if the battery goes bad I take it that you can still use the GPS if plugged into a cigarette lighter, or AC adapter and you can still connect to a computer to install software, or am I wrong. I think if this happens I will still use my unit that way. One function you would lose is to find your vehicle in a parking lot or if you are walking in an unfamiliar city etc. I would miss that but other than the portability would it still work.
Also where is the link on the Garmin site to purchase the lifetime maps. Couldn't find it. Is it in the NuMaps area.

Thanks in advance - Len

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TomTom Via 1435TM & Garmin Nuvi 750

I can Wait

Until this spring I drove around with my old garmin vista on the dash. By the time I replace my nuvi 360 who knows where the technology/prices will be.

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Will nuvi 265W, Vista HCX, amateur radio

Thank you

gwr50 wrote:

It seems that Garmin's life time free traffic comes with some strings. When you are stopped for more than 10 sec, a commercial will show on your screen.
More details can be found at the following link:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2008/10/free-traffic.html?EXTKEY=I72RSC0

Dear GWR,

Thank you. That was most instructive.

david

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nüvi 1490T, V1, Sanyo PRO-700a, maps, sunglasses, hot co-pilot, the open road

great idea

importvenom wrote:

Garmin should really consider a transferrable lifetime update option, with only one active unit at a time. This would help keep customers, because I'd surely buy another Garmin when it comes time to replace my GPS if I know I can get map updates at any time. Otherwise, I'll consider other brands when it comes time to replace my unit. With the pricing of the cheaper units, it doesn't make sense to buy lifetime updates that are only good for one unit - I'll just end up replacing this nuvi in a few years after it's beat up and old.

Dear IV,

I would go for such an offer. I hope that GARMIN is paying attention.

david

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nüvi 1490T, V1, Sanyo PRO-700a, maps, sunglasses, hot co-pilot, the open road

Custom POI's

Guttermouth, most likely you are correct when you state this - "Most users of Garmin's GPSs are probably not even aware of the concept of being able to put in custom POI files." but I think, what the hell? Why do you buy a GPS if you can't do that. And I know a lot of units don't. I love the Custom POI's and the Send from Google maps feature. Crap, if you dont spend 5 minutes on the Garmin site to learn about your unit, then don't buy it...

Feelin' cranky!

Me too, I dont need

Me too, I dont need commercials.

I want I want...

mike_s wrote:
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i still think for the price that we're paying for the unit, we should get the map updates for free for the lifetime of the gps unit.

Considering how much a new car costs, gas should be free, I don't understand why it isn't. And for the amount I pay for my mortgage, I should be getting free heat and utilities. I was dumb to overpay, and not get those freebies in writing.

I called Zenith to get an upgrade for my 15 year old TV because it is so out of date and soon to be obsolete. I paid $1500 for it so that should entitle me to a new one, right?

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Garmin Quest/Quest2/Nuvi660/Nuvi755T

Topic for a poll?

It seems that many users are against the upgrade because of:
a) commercials
b) not transferable
c) should be included as a matter of course.

Several users indicate they would consider this if they could transfer the subscription, may even tie them to Garmin more. I think this could make an interesting poll question. Would you get a subscription if you could transfer it to a new Garmin in the future? And then make sure Garmin sees the results.

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Ads only with FREE traffic not with paid lifetime maps

LarryB_123 wrote:

It seems that many users are against the upgrade because of:
a) commercials
b) not transferable
c) should be included as a matter of course.

The "a) commercials" section would not apply because those ads only occur with the Free lifetime Navteq Traffic that comes with some of the new XX5 series models.

There are no ads involved with either the paid lifetime maps or the paid lifetime Clear Channel traffic.

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May sell at discount

If these are sold by office supply stores, like Staples then they could be had for discounts, sales or using coupons. You can buy other brand maps and services for less than going to the manufacturer.

re: Ads only with FREE traffic not with paid lifetime maps

rjrsw wrote:
LarryB_123 wrote:

It seems that many users are against the upgrade because of:
a) commercials
b) not transferable
c) should be included as a matter of course.

The "a) commercials" section would not apply because those ads only occur with the Free lifetime Navteq Traffic that comes with some of the new XX5 series models.

There are no ads involved with either the paid lifetime maps or the paid lifetime Clear Channel traffic.

Correct, even on the xx5 series, you can add a lifetime Clear Channel subscription that overrides the free ad supported NAVTEQ if both services are in range...NO ADS. Besides, they are not 'commercials', they are a little pop-up that is about 1/4" high by 1" long. Garmin has to pay for the access to traffic services and mapping updates, I accept that they have to compensate somehow. You will pay for it one way or another, no?

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Features

I wonder if the features will be upgraded to mirror the non-traffic features offered by MSN

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