Chit Chat Thread for the week of June 9th 2008

I think I'll take me and my pet hot dog, Sparky, out for a picnic and have some fun.

Hey Obie One,
Your Kidding Right? Let me point out a few flaws in your analogy.

Obviously Bob you have to learn a lot.

I have had a computer in my hands since 1974, programming it in HEX, way before the personal computer made an a appearance. And it had no OS as you understand it.

Next time ask don't try to think.

What, don't think, Obie One I almost forgot your a Force member there.
I guess that far in the future you don't need to think, Microsoft wrote a program over on the DARKSIDE many years ago, making it so Machines do the Number crunching or thinking.

If you want to continue paying like crazy fro your software, you are welcome to use this people robbing system established by Dark Force called Microsoft

Hmmmm, Don't you know that all the good software is written for windows OS? Guess not Huh!

And guess what wine runs with EMULATION, You Have to know that WINE is a Windows EMULATOR right? The authors say not so, but if your machine has to pretend to be a WINDOWS OS, then guess what it's a EMULATOR.

WineTools helps you download essential Windows add-ons like DLLs and Internet Explorer -- a necessity for most users, since a great many third-party Windows apps rely on IE's low-level system integrating to implement essential services. But WineTools has not aged well, and using it increasingly causes problems for other Wine applications. Just in case you don't understand how an EMULATOR works, you have to understand the word COMPATABLE.

1. Capable of existing or performing in harmonious, agreeable, or congenial combination with another or others: compatible family relationships.
2. Capable of orderly, efficient integration and operation with other elements in a system with no modification or conversion required.

Now the truth, that YOU don't want ti admit.

There's at least as much about Ubuntu that I find disheartening or frustrating. There are still too many places where you have to drop to a command line and type in a fairly unintuitive set of commands to get something done, or edit a config file, or -- worst of all -- download and compile source code. For a beginner, this last is the kiss of death, because if compiling code fails, a beginner will almost certainly have no idea what to do next.

IF you have to EMULATE software to make it run, then you are a PIRATE since you don't believe n paying for someones work, knowing that, In your own words,
If you want to continue paying like crazy fro your software, you are welcome to use this people robbing system established by Dark Force called Microsoft, but remember -- everything you install and use in Linux is FREE..

you must realize that freeware is just that FREEWARE, with most of it being junk. The freeware writers can't get what they write into the main stream, The darkside as you like to call Microsoft and better yet legitimate software writers in general, get paid good money for their work.

Licensed software needs a License to run, if you don't have a License, you hav e no good reason to run it.

If you have to emulate (WINE)software to make it run, then you are actually stealing their hard work, Some circles say if you don't pay for software then you are nothing more than a PIRATE!

You said, let this not turn into lecture. But you did, then you tried to talk over your head, and you did a good job, or not such a good job explaining you pirate ways. So it's you that has a lot to learn.

If you Want to run Windows written software then install a legal copy of MICROSOFT WINDOWS, and be done with it, why emulate?

Bob

And all I have to worry about is the town next door to the East being flooded, their water treatment plant off-line causing multiple businesses to temporarily close close because of no water - including one of my employer's stores where I spend part of my workweek...and, topping that, my employer is getting bought out....so late this year or early next - one way or another, I'll have a new employer...as in having the same job with a new name on the check, or - a whole new job. Wish I had less to get excited about....

Mercury went into retrograde and the price of gas topped $4 a gal... Do you suppose there all related? I read from someone whos cage I rattled, I guess I touched a raw nerve, that if Mr Obama gets elected were all going or at least some of us are going to have to meove to Mexico... Not a bad place but I think I will check out Canada.... or maybe I'll just stay put, it sure can't get much worse....

Not the usual light hearted banter we often see in this weekly thread.

the earth slipped a cog or something... Probably the price of gas... Oh and I almost for got I love bush, definately not a bush hater....

Looks like this week is going to start with a bang from reading what has been posted so far. glad Iam going to just set back and travel and read poi post and relax. Al most 75 here today looks like a heat wave for a couple of days.

Take it EZ, it is only Monday.

I take every day easy if is wasn't important yesterday then it can wait till tomorrow if I don't get to it today. I have 3 hummie's and they only take a cup of sugar water a week.

and the hummies say thanks, I meant to fill their feeder yesterday!!!

Got some much needed rain here in Tampa today. Didn't need the hail, however!

On the East side of the peninsula - just North of Daytona Beach we ask :

"What's rain ?????? "

Oh, great. Another gas record.

Again... Bob!
I don't care how old you are and how long you have a computer. You still have a lot to learn!

And bravo for the article. You can publish it in a computer magazine and they can pay you a lot of money for it, especially by Microsoft. they might find your words impressing.

The time of the manual installation and compiling is long gone. Obviously you are not in sync. You only do that if you are a specialist in the field like I am.

I can take you on any of the Linux or BSD distributions in any aspect, not with words. Do you accept the challenge?

Oh... I almost forgot... Star wars sucks... a lot... and it is perfectly legal to use it in sarcastic statement.

And you seriously have to read about what is piracy and what is not before insulting. Oh... and about emulators... You suck with them, don't even try to explain. I really don't want to go on. When you learn, then we can talk, so I would have a fair opponent.

Best regards!
ET

Trust me, until yesterday, all we've had is weeks and weeks of glaring sun and cloudless skies.

It is ok to disagree with each other but lets keep the dialog friendly and leave out personal attacks please.

Miss POI

They were made in jest, lets leave it at that...

No. Spare us. Please.

I posted this link in the other chat thread till miss poi changed it, My sister in law lives in Mason City, I was born and raised there and kinda follow a bit on what is going on back there, I left there in '59 when i went in the Navy, and only been back there a few times, but anyway seen this and linked it, just so some people can see what is going on in the midwest,

http://www.globegazette.com/

I got an AT & T Tilt phone this past Tuesday. It has lots of bells and whistles (it's like a mini laptop with wireless connection and all).
It has a 270 page handbook (I'm on pg. 123) and an 800 number for help - I've called a few times already. There is also an online forum where actual users post answers and help other Tilt owners.
Something like this forum, not quite a quick with responses though.

AT & T gave me a month GPS service free, with voice commands. It could never replace my Garmin GPS.

Got 30 days to try it out, got a good deal on it, so it might be a keeper.

Have been rather interesting to say the least. All well at home. Mason City won't have drinkable water from the tap probably until the weekend at the earliest...right now, they got none.

I am just happy to know that you are safe;)

Miss POI

Verizon wireless has something called VZ Navigator. I can't imagine how it could replace my Garmin, especially with its smaller screen and my preference to keep it in my pocket. But it would be interesting to compare.

Could you report in with your thoughts at the end of the month?

In case anyone wants to look - the local paper is putting out their PDF version of their print edition for free for a few days: http://ee.globegazette.com/

Please be aware of your surroundings in this inclement
weather. be prepaid to take shelter or get out depending on the situation.
Bob

I've tried a few. So far, best one is Garmin's Mobile on my Blackberry Curve.

One thing with Verizon...their Navigator is the only choice you got on their phones....all of 'em - can't use Garmin Mobile on their BBs.

So tell me what's up with the personal attacks? Guess
you don't like the opposing views, I made a statement, you didn't like. Oh well, I said what I wanted to say. Now please chill out, Ok.

Bob

I love a good discussion.... The trouble is you never know who you are speaking to. He might be bringing a knife to a gun fight....

I just remembered the hummies... Got to go mix some sugar water...

here. Trying to get away from Atlanta heat but I guess it followed me.

Let's clarify some of the FUD.

re: Wine -- "Think of Wine as a compatibility layer for running Windows programs. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely free alternative implementation of the Windows API consisting of 100% non-Microsoft code, however Wine can optionally use native Windows DLLs if they are available." from http://www.winehq.org/

I'll agree with you that Wine is not a panacea. In fact, I kept my XP partition to dual boot for my games and certain Audio/Video authoring software that do not run under Ubuntu/Wine. But you'd have to do the same if you had an Apple machine unless you were lucky that the game/software had an Apple version.

As for "download and compile source code", for what program have you had to do or attempt that in Ubuntu? Outside of a couple of .deb installs (mostly point-and-click), almost all of the programs on my Ubuntu desktop were installed via Synaptic Package Manager -- again, just point-and-click. I've found for many users (e.g. my parents who are somewhat technophobes), Ubuntu (or your distro of choice) is sufficient since all they do is email, web browse, download pictures off their digcam, etc.

Once the initial install, little configuration is necessary on the end user's part. See http://www.bspcn.com/2008/04/28/the-great-ubuntu-girlfriend-... for another take on a novice's use of Ubuntu (from the linked article, a novice being someone whose "knowledge of computers is limited to word processors, spreadsheets, Photoshop and a reasonable amount of browsing on the Web"). Plus, I don't have to worry about my parents' Ubuntu laptop being taken over by malware.

Lastly, just because I might not "pay" for a program at a brick-and-mortar or online store, it does not necessarily mean that the software (e.g. open source) is NOT licensed. Please see GPL ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License ) which is how the software (Drupal) that runs this website is licensed. Open source/GPL-software is not piracy. Are you calling this website and/or it's owners pirates since they didn't buy the website software at Best Buy or bestbuy.com?

In the end, if you or the end-user cannot perform a Windows install on a bare machine, you or the end-user should not necessarily expect to be able to do the same bare install with Ubuntu.

p.s. both Microsoft and open source camps have their zealots . There's no arguing with either type of zealot.

No attack intended. Attack provoked, attack is the result. I don't take insults. I take jokes, no matter how hard, but no insults.

Besides you know the saying:
"Little knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance". If I have to speak on a topic, I usually prepare myself. As per Linux I think about 12 years of experience ought to do it. That's right! I was there from the start and Slackware 1.0.

So if you have not provoked a response, you wouldn't have it.

Observation at the end of his post about zealots is correct... I have been a computer nerd since the mid 70's, just about the time dos came into favor.

I was never a programmer in the true since of the word, but in the beginning if you wanted a computer to do anything you had to program it. It was a pass time for me like writing posts on this site… And like this site it was a community where you met people of like interests….

I've used just about every "high" level platform at one time or another, but now I just use what ever comes on the computer I purchase. That's right I don't even build them any longer..

It's like religion you aren't going to change anyone’s mind. You are not going to change a Linux user to Windows, or a Mac user to PC in a discussion that one or both parties are defending their points of view...

But discussions like this allow others to see to sides of the same coin.

As they say let’s agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Oh and btw I enjoyed the discussion.

I want to thank you two (aophiuchus & squirrelproductions) for understanding the conversation, Some people can't discuss with out flying off the handle (it's my way or the highway attitude).

If you try something and find it flawed, then you should speak up, I did just that, then the verbal abuse started.

As far as my Pirate statement is concerned, If you use someones Intellectual Property and don't pay them for it, that makes you a pirate (ie. Microsoft office, Interner Explorer). If the website SQUIRRELPRODUCTIONS listed above have the TOA and licenses for the windows software then thats a different story, if they don't, then it's not much better than going to a warez site. Beside he was clearly talking about freeware. the two above clearly are not freeware.

Why would anyone want Wine? Doesn't Windows suck?

First Wine is not about running Windows but about running Windows applications.

So if all your computing needs are fulfilled by native Unix applications, then you do not need Wine and should not be using it. However, if you depend on one or more of the tens of thousands of Windows applications, then Wine is the best way to use it without giving up on Unix.

Wine does not emulate the Intel x86 processor, however it does emulate the windows OS, I can see a windows virus deciding to execute a wine flaw and seriously hosing a linux Machine. Ain't compatibility a b_otch?

I also say lets agree to disagree!

I don't like wedges, layers or emulators! I've also used just about every "high" level platform at one time or another and find they really aren't worth the trouble.
Now I have spoken the very last word on WINE and will not reply to anything on this particular thread again.

Bob

Have a laugh on me...It ended up on CNN for funny wedding stories!!

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-32112

I'm in Captiva this week, on the west coast of Florida and it's rained every afternoon which is typical for this time of year. It gives us northerners a chance to get our burnt skin out of the sun

Hope everyone that lives in Wis. and Ind. are save from the bad weather they are having there. I am as a campground with 60 mile and hour winds. but no flooding. Our best wishes are with all.

Go Cubbies

Personally, I tend to favor open source but I am not adverse to using commercial software and OS if I have to.

Cut my teeth on the Olivetti-101 then on the Radio Shack CoCo, Trash-80, etc. Currently dealing with IBMs, HPs, Dells, SANS ,etc. Certified for Microsoft, RHEL Linux, HP-UX.

I'd say use whatever software/OS one is comfortable with and which satisfies one's requirements. I know of people who still use Win 95 and are happy with it.

Anyway, just my opinion.

blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Sorry, I don't have anything today and incase I get busy later in the week, I didn't want to miss a week of contribution. Chit chit chat chit gotta be kind of careful typing that Chit, slip of the finger and you could end up in a lot of *hit.

I've discovered where all the early 70s programmers are going... we are retiring and buying GPSr's

I expected to see a post claiming to have coded in binary

I sure hope all you father's out there have a great day on Sunday, I know I will as I am going to the "Taste of Texas" steak house here in Houston. If you have time, think of all the father's in the military who are not able to be home on this day with their families! Moreso remember those who will never be able to be with their families again. We owe them so much for their sacrifices and our freedoms.

No coding, programing, HEXing, or Whyning here. Just a note the my wife remembers her father bringing a computer home that fit in a suitcase and the modem was dialed by hand then the phone places in a special cradle to create the computer connection.
Also, the closest I will get to binary code will be one of the cool binary watches at the mall.

May the Force be with you...

How do ya let this happen????????????
At some point wouldn't you just figure you might just be going the wrong way and turn the heck around?

http://autos.aol.com/article/news/_a/couple-stranded-in-dese...

WAYNESBORO, Pa. (AP) - A retired Pennsylvania couple stranded in their compact car in the Utah desert for four days subsisted on crackers and soda before hiking to safety. (see link for more)

I don't see how this could happen either, but we need to remember that the GPS is an enhancement to other tools and signs. We cannot rely on just one thing and expect a correct outcome. Also, the GPS does not keep the gas tank full. You need to look down and make sure the engine is running and there is plenty of fuel before adveturing too far off the beaten path.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Alan

Maybe a compass installed in all GPSr should be mandatory.