Speeding ticket challenged by GPS user

 

"Shaun Malone was livid when his parents installed a global positioning device in his sports car to monitor his whereabouts and how fast he drives.

But now the Windsor High School junior hopes to beat a potentially expensive speeding ticket using data from the device.

The case represents the first time anyone has contested a speeding ticket in Sonoma County courts using a global positioning system, which pinpoints speed and location using lightning-fast calculations and satellites.

Go here for more story:

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20071002/NEWS/71002030...

This could be

interesting to see if this will work.

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Track Log

I know that I have my track log running in the background for such an instance.

If need be I can always download the log to MapSource and show it to the judge. Or maybe even the officer that I am dealing with on the spot.

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Tracking points data

One question is the data hackable? Then this will be unreliable.

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A larger story here...

Any time citizens stand up for their rights, win or lose, it becomes a brick put back into the wall of democracy. Unfortunately, certain people within our country have been systematically chipping away at our freedoms, and it takes patriots, like those in that story, to stand up to the evidence policing agencies claim is "indisputable". The question of the GPS information being accurate or hackrable is the same for the radar information. No one, simply because they are an official agency of the state should have more rights than citizens.

Because people assume that a state organization is right, simply because it is a state organization, is the exact reason three Duke students, their families and their descendants will forever have "accused rapist" as their legacy.

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Trespassers will be shot!

Survivors will be shat AGAIN!

BTW, I completely agree with your essay.

A MUCH MUCH larger story here...

bfk wrote:

Any time citizens stand up for their rights, win or lose, it becomes a brick put back into the wall of democracy. Unfortunately, certain people within our country have been systematically chipping away at our freedoms, and it takes patriots, like those in that story, to stand up to the evidence policing agencies claim is "indisputable". The question of the GPS information being accurate or hackrable is the same for the radar information. No one, simply because they are an official agency of the state should have more rights than citizens.

Because people assume that a state organization is right, simply because it is a state organization, is the exact reason three Duke students, their families and their descendants will forever have "accused rapist" as their legacy.

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Hackable?

PCPro wrote:

One question is the data hackable? Then this will be unreliable.

As if Photoshop did not exist smile:)smile

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re: Tracking points

PCPro wrote:

One question is the data hackable? Then this will be unreliable.

On many garmins, yes. On my older etrex Vista I can download the Active log, modified it and reload it as "Active Log" and it will have the modified data.

On my Zumo you can just edit the archive track log files. A bit harder to deal with the active part, but once it is written to the archive it is easy.

So it would be hard to use that as evidence in a court unless the GPS was impounded at that time of infraction.

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Anything, including

Anything, including testimony can be alter to the user's advantage.

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Speeding ticket challenged by GPS user

Although you may not be able to prove your case, a gps would at least justify it in my mine that I was going x amount of speed and that the gps is accurate within at least 1 mph. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm sure that I'm right...it's a lot easier to get up the gumption to fight it. If I have some doubt...I have to use my acting skills which aren't that great.

This discussion reminds me of a few years ago when a State Boy pulled over recklessly on a curve in slippery conditions. It almost sent my wife and others into the ditch. My wife blasted her horn at the cop...to warn him that she was about to run into him. He then pulled her over and was so angry he acted like he wanted to physically grab my wife and beat her. He said, "Under Michigan law you have no right to beep your horn at a state policeman." I called the state police post to register a complaint and sent a packet of info and a map of the site, complete with the gps Co-ordinates. The officer was supposedly chastise by the sergent. I believe the gps info helped my veracity and by the way the sergent admitted, no such law exists.
I have a problem with officers lying to the public. Legally you can't lie to an officer...but they're allowed to lie to you? Shouldn't be legal.
Also it shouldn't be legal to be let off a ticket because your relative is in law enforcement. That smacks as a criminal conspiricy under the RICO act, but that wouldn't happen.
I'd better stop before I'm considered a crackpot. Maybe it's too late.

Thanks

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Your Right

Some cops believe their above the law. Now that they have a badge they can do what they want whenever they want with no repercussions. I’m not saying everything has to be by the book but when law enforcers don’t follow the laws how can we expect others to follow it.

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Because cops are ppl just

Because cops are ppl just like us, some good and some bad. Like our mothers' (at least mine) would say, "Just cause Johnny did it, doesn't mean that you have to do it"

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about time

I think it is great that someone decided to question the cop using another tech.

Could be trouble

The only worry is if like radar Detectors the use of GPS begins to cut into States ability to generate revenue you could see them being made illegal in some states!!!

I was going to post

I just read this story on a news website today, and thought I would post it. I'm glad I checked before I did.
It looks like I need to start reading my news stories at a more informed website, instead of one that is two to three weeks behind on their stories.
By the way, I read it at Excite.com, in case you were interested.
I hope this works out for the young guy.

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As far as I know

Virginia is the only state left which prohibits Radar Detectors !

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keep it that way

MrKenFL wrote:

Virginia is the only state left which prohibits Radar Detectors !

And I hope that they keep it that way!!!!!!!!

Just to be clear, they are illegal everywhere for big trucks.

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ur such a rebel...lol

asianfire wrote:
MrKenFL wrote:

Virginia is the only state left which prohibits Radar Detectors !

And I hope that they keep it that way!!!!!!!!

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Naw, not a rebel, just

Naw, not a rebel, just better that way!!! VA uses much more Constant ON (CO) then other states, easier to detect. IO is much more deadlier!!!!

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