Work zone speed cams in PA start today

 

https://6abc.com/traffic/work-zone-speed-cameras-going-into-...

For the full story visit the above link.

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Violators will receive a warning letter for a first offense followed by fines up to $150 for subsequent offenses.

The state-run program uses an automated system to detect when drivers are exceeding work zone speed limits by 11 mph or more.

The enforcement zones are as follows:

I-78 between mile markers 35-43 in Berks County

I-476 between mile markers 31-38 in Montgomery County

I-83 between mile markers 3-4 in York County

Rt. 1 in Bucks County

Rt. 1 in Philadelphia

SR 309 in Bucks County

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These violations are civil penalties only; no points will be assessed to driver's licenses.

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For more information on the Automated Work Zone Speed Enforcement program, visit

https://workzonecameras.penndot.gov/

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makes sense

I was trying to figure out where 31-38 might be on 476 sounds like the turnpike because oftomh 13 is Villanova another 18 miles is pretty far.

I-476 guide

johnnatash4 wrote:

I was trying to figure out where 31-38 might be on 476 sounds like the turnpike because oftomh 13 is Villanova another 18 miles is pretty far.

As OP posted, it is I-476; “ I-476 between mile markers 31-38 in Montgomery County”.A good guide to the exits can be found at https://www.pahighways.com/exits/I476exits.html

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Glad To See It

I'm glad to see the law is finally being implemented. I suppose the younger folk will disagree but being retired, I'm usually in no hurry to get where I'm going.

I normally go with the flow of traffic on the open road but when passing through work zones, I'm frequently tailgated when I do the posted speed limit. Often, there are no cars in sight ahead of me when I exit the zone. On one occasion, I had a tailgating trucker give me the finger when he was finally able to pass.

As a retired utility engineer who frequently worked along roadways, I can sympathize with the highway construction workers. Motorists simply drive too fast for conditions with little or no regard for others. Hopefully, this law will save a few lives.

Lansdale

johnnatash4 wrote:

I was trying to figure out where 31-38 might be on 476 sounds like the turnpike because oftomh 13 is Villanova another 18 miles is pretty far.

Exit numbers correspond to the mileposts.

Exit 31 is Lansdale on 476, the ongoing widening of 476 starts there and ends around milepost 38. The next exit is 44 Quakertown.

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I agree

bdhsfz6 wrote:

I'm glad to see the law is finally being implemented.

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As a retired utility engineer who frequently worked along roadways, I can sympathize with the highway construction workers. Motorists simply drive too fast for conditions with little or no regard for others. Hopefully, this law will save a few lives.

I work in heavy highway construction, I drive a tri-axle dump truck, mostly in Philadelphia. It's extremely rare to see anyone going remotely close to the speed limit, except during rush hour when everyone is crawling along.

A lot of the time our work zone is in the middle section of a highway meaning when we are excavating the loaded trucks have to enter the highway in the hammer lane, extremely dangerous considering how fast people are going. It's nerve racking.

So as much as I hate more government intrusion and feel most of their so called safety measures are just a cash grab, this one is needed.

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Agree ...

As the posted signs in our state and many other states say … "Construction workers. Give 'em a brake." I know it is sometimes frustrating to drive for miles in a reduced speed construction zone and never see a worker or machine. But you can also come upon an active zone in a hurry if you are going too fast.

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This actually seems pretty

This actually seems pretty fair. 11 mph is a pretty big buffer

Construction management needs some flesh in the game

I wish that construction management cared for construction workers. I presume that they are the ones who set up the lights for nighttime work. (Please, please, don’t tell me that it is the “safety” managers.) Do you think that they’ll ever make an effort to set up the lights and try to avoid blinding drivers?

Most of the time they know right from left. Most e.g. “Left Lane Closed Ahead” signs are correct. Unfortunately they won’t bother to take down the signs when the lane isn't closed. What that does is train us to ignore the signs.

Thanks for listening to me vent. I want it safer out there. For a poor turn of phrase how is this: Construction management needs some (of their own) flesh in the game.

I agreed

It blinded you at night when driving through.

I get

minke wrote:

I wish that construction management cared for construction workers. I presume that they are the ones who set up the lights for nighttime work. (Please, please, don’t tell me that it is the “safety” managers.) Do you think that they’ll ever make an effort to set up the lights and try to avoid blinding drivers?

Most of the time they know right from left. Most e.g. “Left Lane Closed Ahead” signs are correct. Unfortunately they won’t bother to take down the signs when the lane isn't closed. What that does is train us to ignore the signs.

Thanks for listening to me vent. I want it safer out there. For a poor turn of phrase how is this: Construction management needs some (of their own) flesh in the game.

What you are saying. My buddy owns a transportation co. and the safety guys drive Mercedes and Corvettes and have nice polo shirts, as opposed to class 3 safety vests. If they do have a safety vest it's class 2, dry cleaned, and their names are embroidered on them along with the co. logo (I always wanted one actually)

I wish the construction people tried too.

johnnatash4 wrote:
minke wrote:

I wish that construction management cared for construction workers. I presume that they are the ones who set up the lights for nighttime work. (Please, please, don’t tell me that it is the “safety” managers.) Do you think that they’ll ever make an effort to set up the lights and try to avoid blinding drivers?

Most of the time they know right from left. Most e.g. “Left Lane Closed Ahead” signs are correct. Unfortunately they won’t bother to take down the signs when the lane isn't closed. What that does is train us to ignore the signs.

Thanks for listening to me vent. I want it safer out there. For a poor turn of phrase how is this: Construction management needs some (of their own) flesh in the game.

What you are saying. My buddy owns a transportation co. and the safety guys drive Mercedes and Corvettes and have nice polo shirts, as opposed to class 3 safety vests. If they do have a safety vest it's class 2, dry cleaned, and their names are embroidered on them along with the co. logo (I always wanted one actually)

The topic here centers on road construction safety. If your buddy with a “transportation company” does road construction then this is on-topic. I give you the benefit of the doubt for being on-topic. I am only saying that since “transportation company” doesn’t sound on-topic to me.

I’m glad that safety guys make good money and are well dressed. I bet they shower regularly. If what you are saying is relevant I don’t get it.

If they place their lights so that they blind me while I am driving next to their employees they are putting those employees (and me) at risk. Is there another interpretation than they don’t give a damn?

I work at minimizing my night driving. My driving style could be called right-lane-slug. I’m glad to do my best at being safe for me and everyone else. I wish the construction people tried too.

did

minke wrote:

I work at minimizing my night driving. My driving style could be called right-lane-slug. I’m glad to do my best at being safe for me and everyone else. I wish the construction people tried too.

you ever try polarized sunglasses? They don't have to be Maui Jim or Oakley, maybe $39 at Costco. They all work. If not, then minimizing night driving makes sense.

p.s. I don't get how on this forum when you quote someone, it seems the web page is conducive to altering the post that's being quoted. I've seen it before, don't think it's the person responding. that's why I'm careful to make sure what's in the box above, has none of my words.

Sunglasses At Night?

I wonder if we have succeeded at miss-communicating.

I do wear polarized sunglasses during the day. If there weren’t lane shifts, if there were easy to see lane lines, if, if, then I would have to fumble putting the glasses on for 100 (?) yards, then off. Sunglasses at night seem like a bad idea.

Perhaps you thought I was complaining about construction lights during the day?

FWIW

minke wrote:

I wonder if we have succeeded at miss-communicating.

I do wear polarized sunglasses during the day. If there weren’t lane shifts, if there were easy to see lane lines, if, if, then I would have to fumble putting the glasses on for 100 (?) yards, then off. Sunglasses at night seem like a bad idea.

Perhaps you thought I was complaining about construction lights during the day?

For what it's worth, there is such a thing as polarized night glasses:

https://aguidepro.com/best-night-vision-glasses/

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"semi-Polarized" ??

Thanks. The first entry was said to be "semi-polarized". On a search the first 4 or 5 advertisements had no explanation of what that might mean. This https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/semipolarized was no help. I suppose that it is just marketing hype.

From the age of 4 thru 70 I spent most of my waking moments wearing glasses. Since cataract surgery where I chose to favor distance vision in both eyes and I chose toric lenses for my astigmatism I enjoy only needing glasses to read and wanting sunglasses when outside.

Back on topic, perhaps there is a reason that construction crews can't protect us from their lights.

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minke wrote:

Thanks. The first entry was said to be "semi-polarized". On a search the first 4 or 5 advertisements had no explanation of what that might mean. This https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/semipolarized was no help. I suppose that it is just marketing hype.

From the age of 4 thru 70 I spent most of my waking moments wearing glasses. Since cataract surgery where I chose to favor distance vision in both eyes and I chose toric lenses for my astigmatism I enjoy only needing glasses to read and wanting sunglasses when outside.

Back on topic, perhaps there is a reason that construction crews can't protect us from their lights.

If you scrolled the whole page they followed the list with pros and cons for each pair and there were several that were in fact polarized, not semi.

As for the construction lights, the lights are bright so the men can safely do the job at hand. I drive a dump truck and yes getting into a sight can even blind me, but it's what's needed.

We can't win, during the day folks complain why can't we do the work at night, and at night folks complain about the light and why can't we do the job during the day.

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No Sunglasses At Night

I quit writing because I thought I was just going on and on. So,,, to go on and on,,,

My ophthalmologist said, and it is of course obvious, that adding any optical layer will diminish acuity. (He wasn’t speaking of chromatic or spherical aberrations.) I have what I believe to be high quality sunglasses. With them I can’t read street names and any other text on my GPS. (No, it isn’t a glasses polarization vs. LCD polarization problem.) Without glasses I (barely) can. I don’t want to add an extra layer unless there is a good reason.

Just because someone while trying to be helpful suggested (I think they suggested) nighttime polarized lenses doesn’t make that sensible. Those lights have no filters. Those lights are not polarized. During the day non polarized light can become polarized by reflecting off e.g. my hood and my sunglasses work well there. The only thing that’ll work with direct non polarized light is attenuation. I think it is a really bad idea to wear sunglasses (attenuation) at night in construction zones where there are lane shifts which shift from location to location and poorly marked lane lines. Another issue is that at night some people don’t turn their lights on and rely on their DRLs which don’t have taillights on. Before the coronavirus I would drive in one particular 20 mile zone every 6 or 8 weeks. It was never the same twice. I hope that I’ve made the case against nighttime sunglasses. From my cycling days I have some yellow lens glasses. I thought that they may have been a marginal improvement in twilight. Some people love them for their enhanced contrast. Still, it seems to be a bad idea to add a filter and get less light at night.

I hope that you don’t feel attacked when I criticize a standard practice in your industry that you have no control over. IIRC you are in PA. Perhaps you have better practices there than we do in CO. We don’t take down “Lane Closed” signs when lanes are opened. If, for example, I am driving south and the construction work is on the far side of the north lanes, maybe 40 yards or more away it will from time to time feel like the lamps are pointing straight at me. I understand that light may need to come from more than one direction to minimize shadows. Nevertheless, when the light 40 yards away is pointed more at me than the ground then I think that they didn’t try to do better. My complaint isn’t that the site is lit but that I am lit more than the site.

I do appreciate your trying to be helpful too.

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minke wrote:

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Just because someone while trying to be helpful suggested (I think they suggested) nighttime polarized lenses doesn’t make that sensible.

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I hope that you don’t feel attacked when I criticize a standard practice in your industry that you have no control over.

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I only responded a second time about the glasses because it seemed to me that you didn't go past the first listing that said semi-polarized, I was trying to point out there were supposedly fully polarized glasses on the list as well. You know what's best for you. I have worn photochromic sunglasses that lighten with darkness but don't go completely clear at night on my motorcycle and yes, they do make things a tad darker but they also help with glare.

As for my industry, no, I don't feel attacked, I have to deal with the light just as much as you, as a driver, I get stuck in the same construction caused traffic jams trying to get to the job, so I am on both sides of the equation. The bright lights are unintended consequence of working at night, but a necessary one for the workers safety.

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driving at night

I have cataracts that are not yet bad enough for surgery, and have been to my opthalmologist multiple times for night driving problems. He is the eye doctor for the New York Mets.

He says the best glasses for night driving are clear lenses with your distance prescription and an anti-reflective coating. This coating is something that is already done for most glasses made today.

minke, even though your implanted lenses are set for distance, it is possible that they are not focused exactly right. If so, eyeglasses with a light prescription might improve your night vision.

The other issue is the driver height in your car. I like sedans because of their good handling, cornering and so forth. The problem is I am bothered by other drivers' headlights behind me and oncoming. Switching to an SUV raised my head 8 inches and greatly helped. Also, the new car has bright LED headlights.

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driving at night

dobs108 wrote:

I have cataracts that are not yet bad enough for surgery, and have been to my opthalmologist multiple times for night driving problems. He is the eye doctor for the New York Mets.

He says the best glasses for night driving are clear lenses with your distance prescription and an anti-reflective coating. This coating is something that is already done for most glasses made today.

minke, even though your implanted lenses are set for distance, it is possible that they are not focused exactly right. If so, eyeglasses with a light prescription might improve your night vision.

The other issue is the driver height in your car. I like sedans because of their good handling, cornering and so forth. The problem is I am bothered by other drivers' headlights behind me and oncoming. Switching to an SUV raised my head 8 inches and greatly helped. Also, the new car has bright LED headlights.

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Thank you. I was a difficult case for cataract surgery because the thickness of one of my eye structures was variable. I can’t remember what part of the eye it was (not that there all that many!). Every time I was measured for lenses the prescription was different. Post surgery my acuity measures from 20/25 to 20/20+ in year to year measurements.

Caution: my cataracts went from detectable to down 30% in one year. Stay on top of it.
Suggestion: when the time comes, if you have astigmatism, consider toric lenses.

In order to tow my boat I have a 1 ton truck whose height is excessive. It replaces a ¾ ton truck that was destroyed by hail. The ‘11 ¾ ton was high enough but the marketeers at Ford thought that the ‘17 1 ton should be higher. Raising the center of gravity without any other compensation makes the new one handle worse and provides no advantage. Add to that the fact that I have 4 headlight bulbs instead of the usual 2. If it weren’t for the boat and the travel trailer we intend to buy I wouldn’t be shooting so many photons so high into the air.

I have noticed that driving the speed limit (often 75 MPH here) demands too much focus and is tiring, even during the day. If there are 2 lanes in my direction I will sit in the right lane and go at 10 MPH less. With 4 lanes available I may go slower.

I hope that this isn’t too much off topic.

Camera Everywhere

Cameras can be found almost everywhere on major roads, especially in Metropolitan areas. The work zone cameras will generate more income for the State and make people more cognizant of driving in a work zone. One issue is that if part of the work zone is complete and no workers or work activities are present, it is still considered part of the work zone. This would give the cameras the ability to send you a party invitation while you were speeding through an area that looked like a completed road.

Sounds like someone needs

Sounds like someone needs progressives lenses with self darkening or 2 pairs of progressives one sunglasses the other clear. "Barely being able to make it out" (GPS etc.) in the cabin (or at distance) should never be.

hey

look if glasses won't work, and being careful is difficult, then ok maybe the construction side can be more careful. I would say this is the last resort, as it will be difficult to accomplish. We can all do our part to be reasonable. the only incident that comes to mind for me is when US CBP set up a mobile checkpoint just north of Lake George, NY, on I-87 S. I remember feeling blinded but everyone was basically stopped to 5 mph, most people were waved on. It seemed they stopped Asian people only, so I was very curious what was going on and I asked the next day with some people I knew in LE. This was 15 or so years ago, not sure if they would do that today. Maybe they would because in 2020 there were more incidents in Washington state but with US Citizens of another origin. Not to open a can of worms but US Citizen means US Citizen, that is American.

As far as cams in PA, I'm all for them. I live in PA.

And really having friends in MD and going there since about 2009, it got me used to them. Maybe if one has never driven through them there's a sense of paranoia and someone's comin' to git me. It's no different than Costco being able to track you entering their store and exiting, your motions throughout the entire warehouse, in 4k resolution, are you scared or worried? Good chance shoppers never even gave it any thought, because they didn't do anything wrong.