NYC has new speed cameras in School Zones

 

NYC's Speed Camera Enforcement Expands

On July 11, 2019, NYC's expanded speed camera law goes into effect, immediately doubling the reach and impact of the program. Speed cameras will be active Monday through Friday, from 6AM to 10PM, year round. DOT is now authorized to operate speed cameras in 750 school speed zones.

Speeding in a school zone may mean a $50 ticket for the person to whom your vehicle is registered.

Avoid a ticket; slow down, follow the posted speed limit and always yield to pedestrians and cyclists.

New Speed Camera Law:
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Two people posted this topic at roughly the same time, so I closed comments on one and linked the threads.

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Another article

https://astoriapost.com/dot-adding-thousands-of-new-school-z...

Lots of good info in this article, but the parts that stood out for me are:

"The DOT has declined to disclose where the new cameras are going up. However, the agency has said that it is prioritizing those school zones with the highest crash rates and areas known for speeding."

and

"Each month for the rest of the year, 40 cameras will be installed in various school zones across the city. In 2020, the number will increase to a whopping 60 per month."

Personal feelings about enforcement cameras aside, if any of our community members spot a reliable news article or press release regarding a new location, please send it to me. I'll definitely appreciate our community's help on this. In other areas I'm often able to access city or municipality records to help verify location information, but as many of you know, New York City has not been forthcoming. Our last FOIL (Freedom of Information Law) request was denied on the grounds that the records, "if disclosed could endanger the life or safety of any person."

Here's an example of a reliable article on a new location.
http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/speed-camera-expansion-ge...

This one was especially helpful because of the picture showing the installation, not only does it show the location, but it also let's me know what the new cameras look like. Additionally this particular article is valuable in that local community members (e.g. the school principal) are acknowledging the cameras location.

So let me know if you stumble across anything. We're resourceful and feel good about keeping in sync with the additional changes. I just figured that since we've received multiple posts on it recently, I'd update you all on where we're at regarding NYC give some of our newer members a glimpse of what goes in to providing quality camera file content.

~Angela

School zones in other locations

Interesting. The parts that really stood out for me are the fines ($50) and the speed (10 over the 25 MPH limit.) I also see that the program is administered by the NYC DOT. This actually seems pretty fair to me, compared to other places.

Up here in Canada, the program is run by a private company who gets paid on commission. The limit is 30 KPH (18 MPH) in designated school zones, and they ticket at 10 over. (24 MPH) Fines start at $350 and go up, depending on the speed.

Agree with them or not, it is HIGHLY immoral and unethical to pay a private company on commission for speeding tickets. It is also highly immoral to claim it is for "safety" without a single statistic showing how many kids have been hit by cars in school zones. (In our research, the number is zero, going back at least 25 years.) Plus, one can tell it has NOTHING to do with "safety" when the private company puts their mobile radar vehicles out in full force on school holidays like Christmas, New Years, Labour Day, etc.

NYC shouldn't complain much. It could be FAR worse.

today

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

not fair and not really school zones

Chickenhawks wrote:

...This actually seems pretty fair to me, compared to other places...

In New York state, the requirements for establishing a "school speed zone" are in the state Vehicle and Traffic law (VTL) which is based on nationwide standards. The New York City speed camera program completely ignores all the requirements of the Vehicle and Traffic law. School zone signs are not required and the speed cameras are in operation until late at night even though schools are closed.

Cameras have been placed on arterial highways such as Queens Boulevard if there is a school remotely nearby. The real purpose of the cameras is enforcing the citywide 25 mph speed limit on every road everywhere, not the stated purpose of the law, which is schools. 25 mph (40 kph) is an unreasonably low general speed limit.

This affects any driver who is unaware that a school is nearby, particularly visitors. Tourism is the number one business in NYC, and the tourists are most at risk from the speed cameras. I am a lifelong New Yorker, now living in the suburbs, and I NEVER drive into the city only because of the speed cameras.

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we need NYC members to become involved

GlobeTurtle wrote:

...So let me know if you stumble across anything. We're resourceful and feel good about keeping in sync with the additional changes. I just figured that since we've received multiple posts on it recently, I'd update you all on where we're at regarding NYC give some of our newer members a glimpse of what goes in to providing quality camera file content.

~Angela

Thanks, Angela, for your attention to New York City. This is a chance for new members to become involved. If there hasn't been a great public outcry up to now, there will be when the speed camera program greatly expands.

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State law being overruled by a city. Great!

dobs108 wrote:

In New York state, the requirements for establishing a "school speed zone" are in the state Vehicle and Traffic law (VTL) which is based on nationwide standards. The New York City speed camera program completely ignores all the requirements of the Vehicle and Traffic law. School zone signs are not required and the speed cameras are in operation until late at night even though schools are closed.

Cameras have been placed on arterial highways such as Queens Boulevard if there is a school remotely nearby. The real purpose of the cameras is enforcing the citywide 25 mph speed limit on every road everywhere, not the stated purpose of the law, which is schools. 25 mph (40 kph) is an unreasonably low general speed limit.

This affects any driver who is unaware that a school is nearby, particularly visitors. Tourism is the number one business in NYC, and the tourists are most at risk from the speed cameras. I am a lifelong New Yorker, now living in the suburbs, and I NEVER drive into the city only because of the speed cameras.

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Another good reason to NEVER go to New York!

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My wife saw cars passing a bus while my kids were getting on.

johnnatash4 wrote:

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

When the the youngest was still in elementary school, my wife was home at the time and would stand at the bus stop with him. She had seen cars on multiple occasions going by the bus while it was stopped with the red lights flashing and the stop sign arm out. One day, it happened while the door was open and he was getting off the bus, my wife told the driver that she had the license plate if the driver wanted it.

The driver said she never reports them because she would have to do extra paperwork. Since my wife wasn't working at the time, that was the last day my son took the bus. I still see cars driving by stopped buses to this day.

From my perspective as a parent, I'd like to see buses have camera's, since many drivers don't feel safety is important.

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KenSny wrote:

State Law Being Overruled By A City. Great!

Happens all the time in Philadelphia, PA. There was a Philly DA that told council they were passing illegal laws because of state preemption and she would not enforce them, Council passed them anyway.

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johnnatash4 wrote:

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

When the the youngest was still in elementary school, my wife was home at the time and would stand at the bus stop with him. She had seen cars on multiple occasions going by the bus while it was stopped with the red lights flashing and the stop sign arm out. One day, it happened while the door was open and he was getting off the bus, my wife told the driver that she had the license plate if the driver wanted it.

The driver said she never reports them because she would have to do extra paperwork. Since my wife wasn't working at the time, that was the last day my son took the bus. I still see cars driving by stopped buses to this day.

From my perspective as a parent, I'd like to see buses have camera's, since many drivers don't feel safety is important.

I know that it's not just school buses, it's many things, where people simply believe that rule/regulation/law doesn't apply to me.

I love it when there is a sign, "reserved for parents with children."

We all know what it means. The spaces are set aside for people who are dealing with children so they can park closer. But you see teens and elderly and people by themselves park anyway, because there is zero enforcement. I joked with my buddy, a person could say, I do have children. They are in their 40's and live in California--the sign says for parents with children, which is what I am.

I totally get that school buses are inconvenient, but hey, many things are.

I hate red light cameras...

but speed cameras in school zones are something I can live with. I think they should take it one step farther though. Get 3 in a 1-2 year period and the owner of the vehicle gets a summons to appear in court and explain to the judge why they drive the way they do or why is someone driving their car like they are. The biggest problem is they never get the bad drivers off the road.

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Frside007 wrote:

but speed cameras in school zones are something I can live with. I think they should take it one step farther though. Get 3 in a 1-2 year period and the owner of the vehicle gets a summons to appear in court and explain to the judge why they drive the way they do or why is someone driving their car like they are. The biggest problem is they never get the bad drivers off the road.

I'm like you, it's not like I love technology that's intended on busting us. But then I start to realize well if I'm not running lights then maybe I shouldn't worry. I mean I have mentioned a toddler was run over and killed at my gym, and everyone felt bad, yet a few weeks later business as usual. This is reality.

They did install speed bumps and no turn on red any direction at the entrance. People still turn right on red, and drive right over the bumps failing to yield to peds. I'll even go as far as to say as the biggest offenders are in fact young parents, if you can believe that.

We're all in a hurry today. But, there should be a consequence when it's excessive. Many places seem to think 11-12 mph is that threshold.

A place to avoid

This is yet another good reason to avoid NY. I avoid places that have photo enforcement as much as possible.

Joke: are you single?

If you have a blonde, you can't refuse to her that because there's enforcement of camera, then you don't bring her there for shopping? Just let's you know, just come back from NJ, that's terrible experiences now. There's a lot of traps and people driving there like crazy. I don't know how they can avoid police so easy.

Wish we have nice tool to avoid expensive tickets, not to say that you need going to do labor work on the street for them in case

Good luck for now.

NYC has new speed cameras in School Zones

School Zones at 10 PM? They just want $.

Confirmed NY at 10PM

Just come back from NY, it's very hard experience for their speed trap at 10 PM, even they have one patrol car sneaking in the dark shadow of night. Good luck for NY

think about it

do you want people running red lights ,speeding thru school zones, running stop signs, speeding on roads ! no of course not and we cant afford a cop on every corner. the problem is when other people get involved there in it just for the money they shave seconds off of yellow lights its in their best interest they like making money ! the city has to pay them a set amount for their service not a percentage of the money they make on tickets, don't give them any incentive to make it easier to create more fines !!!

Trap?

anh wrote:

Just come back from NY, it's very hard experience for their speed trap at 10 PM, even they have one patrol car sneaking in the dark shadow of night. Good luck for NY

I have always been mystified how one gets "trapped" into speeding?

It seems to me that you are traveling at or below the speed limit, OR you are speeding. I am told that one can go 5 mph over the speed limit and not be ticketed - but only given a warning assuming that one is pulled over in the first place.

To use the term "speed trap" implies that the person caught speeding was "entrapped" which by definition means:

"(law) a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials"

Have you been "tricked" into speeding?

Trap or Perceived Trap?

jgermann wrote:
anh wrote:

Just come back from NY, it's very hard experience for their speed trap at 10 PM, even they have one patrol car sneaking in the dark shadow of night. Good luck for NY

I have always been mystified how one gets "trapped" into speeding?

It seems to me that you are traveling at or below the speed limit, OR you are speeding. I am told that one can go 5 mph over the speed limit and not be ticketed - but only given a warning assuming that one is pulled over in the first place.

To use the term "speed trap" implies that the person caught speeding was "entrapped" which by definition means:

"(law) a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials"

Have you been "tricked" into speeding?

While I agree with you that generally no one is forcing or tricking anyone to speed, in the context of this article, I believe that many people would agree, at first glance that extending a school zone speed limit from 5 PM to 10 PM is a speed trap.

That said, I see a majority of the schools around me having more and more evening activities, so it may not be such a bad thing after all.

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Airbrushed wrote:
jgermann wrote:
anh wrote:

Just come back from NY, it's very hard experience for their speed trap at 10 PM, even they have one patrol car sneaking in the dark shadow of night. Good luck for NY

I have always been mystified how one gets "trapped" into speeding?

It seems to me that you are traveling at or below the speed limit, OR you are speeding. I am told that one can go 5 mph over the speed limit and not be ticketed - but only given a warning assuming that one is pulled over in the first place.

To use the term "speed trap" implies that the person caught speeding was "entrapped" which by definition means:

"(law) a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials"

Have you been "tricked" into speeding?

While I agree with you that generally no one is forcing or tricking anyone to speed, in the context of this article, I believe that many people would agree, at first glance that extending a school zone speed limit from 5 PM to 10 PM is a speed trap.

That said, I see a majority of the schools around me having more and more evening activities, so it may not be such a bad thing after all.

No because it is within the driver's control. MD a person has to go 12 mph over, I thought in NYC 10.

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It truly is odd to me in this day and age I don't know how to say it, it's like there are no consequences to simply saying anything. I could say the glass is 3/4 full, as it's 74.5000001% full of water, and someone else could say it's got diet coke in it, half empty, and not water and if you don't like it too bad. truly odd to me how in this day and age we have the luxury of simply playing devil's advocate 24/7/365.

Yet, if the bridges and tunnels in NYC (PANYNJ) are raising tolls from $6.50 to $12.50 (fact when cashless tolling has been completed by end of 2020), not one single person that I saw here, has said gosh that seems like a pure revenue booster to me. A 92% increase is very steep, way out of whack with the cpi numbers, and a heck of a bigger problem since nobody can avoid those bridges and tunnels, whereas a person can in fact keep it to 9 mph over the limit if they want to and avoid a fine.

Again, people want to complain about NYC but don't seem to care about things where maybe it's more cut and dry. I guess it's not as fun to state the obvious.

NYC School Zone Cameras

Hi, Everyone, I just joined and was looking at this subject; I live in NYC, Just a few pointers to note -
1. the cameras are in operation 'ALL Year Round' not just school days.
2. NYC claims that the cameras are set for 10 miles over the limit, but I have seen tickets for below that; and if you go to court the ALJ will say the Speed Limit is 25.
3. NYC Does NOT post a SIGN Warning of a camera ahead; this goes for All Speed / Red Light Cameras.
4. The politicians' are more focused on NYC's slogan: 'ZERO VISON'; which is geared towards making NYC ultimately a Bicycle City.
5. As of this Year 2019, School Buses will be equipped with Cameras to record vehicles that Do Not Stop when the Bus Red STOP Sign is activated; Then a ticket will be sent, just like for the other cameras.

school days

The state law that permits New York City to operate speed cameras specifies that it must be a school zone speed limit which is in effect only on school days when the school is open.

Take it from niner_30. New York City is entrapping drivers because they have not given drivers prior notice that a school is there or when it is open or not. They are operating speed cameras when school is not open, or not nearby any school, and without signs marking a school speed zone according to state law. Any official interested in the safety of school children should make sure school zone signs are posted nearby every school. They have not.

They are using these "school" speed cameras to enforce the citywide 25 mph speed limit in locations other than schools in violation of state law.

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niner_30 wrote:

2. NYC claims that the cameras are set for 10 miles over the limit, but I have seen tickets for below that; and if you go to court the ALJ will say the Speed Limit is 25.

That's pretty fascinating, we saw these types of claims with rlcs as well, but in the history of this forum, never anything to substantiate.

Reminds me of the old days when someone got pulled over for running a light, they simply said they didn't do it. What an unfair world we live in. So if you've seen these tickets, any chance you snapped a pic so we too can also see them?

NYC Cameras

Sorry, my Lapse, I did not. Next time will do.

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To add a bit to this

dobs108 wrote:

The state law that permits New York City to operate speed cameras specifies that it must be a school zone speed limit which is in effect only on school days when the school is open.

Take it from niner_30. New York City is entrapping drivers because they have not given drivers prior notice that a school is there or when it is open or not. They are operating speed cameras when school is not open, or not nearby any school, and without signs marking a school speed zone according to state law. Any official interested in the safety of school children should make sure school zone signs are posted nearby every school. They have not.

They are using these "school" speed cameras to enforce the citywide 25 mph speed limit in locations other than schools in violation of state law.

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NYC also employs mobile school zone speed cameras. They pay someone to sit in a car for 6-8 or more hours a day on the side of the road in a vehicle while it simply take pictures of abusers the entire time. I got zapped by one of these on Northern Blvd in Queens. I have been driving a couple of decades now, and I recall when the speed limit in that same area was more than 25. Old habits die hard and cost me $50. Did I learn anything? Yes. Avoid that stretch of road.

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