NYC has new speed cameras in School Zones

 

NYC's Speed Camera Enforcement Expands

On July 11, 2019, NYC's expanded speed camera law goes into effect, immediately doubling the reach and impact of the program. Speed cameras will be active Monday through Friday, from 6AM to 10PM, year round. DOT is now authorized to operate speed cameras in 750 school speed zones.

Speeding in a school zone may mean a $50 ticket for the person to whom your vehicle is registered.

Avoid a ticket; slow down, follow the posted speed limit and always yield to pedestrians and cyclists.

New Speed Camera Law:
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Two people posted this topic at roughly the same time, so I closed comments on one and linked the threads.

~Angela

Another article

https://astoriapost.com/dot-adding-thousands-of-new-school-z...

Lots of good info in this article, but the parts that stood out for me are:

"The DOT has declined to disclose where the new cameras are going up. However, the agency has said that it is prioritizing those school zones with the highest crash rates and areas known for speeding."

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"Each month for the rest of the year, 40 cameras will be installed in various school zones across the city. In 2020, the number will increase to a whopping 60 per month."

Personal feelings about enforcement cameras aside, if any of our community members spot a reliable news article or press release regarding a new location, please send it to me. I'll definitely appreciate our community's help on this. In other areas I'm often able to access city or municipality records to help verify location information, but as many of you know, New York City has not been forthcoming. Our last FOIL (Freedom of Information Law) request was denied on the grounds that the records, "if disclosed could endanger the life or safety of any person."

Here's an example of a reliable article on a new location.
http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/speed-camera-expansion-ge...

This one was especially helpful because of the picture showing the installation, not only does it show the location, but it also let's me know what the new cameras look like. Additionally this particular article is valuable in that local community members (e.g. the school principal) are acknowledging the cameras location.

So let me know if you stumble across anything. We're resourceful and feel good about keeping in sync with the additional changes. I just figured that since we've received multiple posts on it recently, I'd update you all on where we're at regarding NYC give some of our newer members a glimpse of what goes in to providing quality camera file content.

~Angela

School zones in other locations

Interesting. The parts that really stood out for me are the fines ($50) and the speed (10 over the 25 MPH limit.) I also see that the program is administered by the NYC DOT. This actually seems pretty fair to me, compared to other places.

Up here in Canada, the program is run by a private company who gets paid on commission. The limit is 30 KPH (18 MPH) in designated school zones, and they ticket at 10 over. (24 MPH) Fines start at $350 and go up, depending on the speed.

Agree with them or not, it is HIGHLY immoral and unethical to pay a private company on commission for speeding tickets. It is also highly immoral to claim it is for "safety" without a single statistic showing how many kids have been hit by cars in school zones. (In our research, the number is zero, going back at least 25 years.) Plus, one can tell it has NOTHING to do with "safety" when the private company puts their mobile radar vehicles out in full force on school holidays like Christmas, New Years, Labour Day, etc.

NYC shouldn't complain much. It could be FAR worse.

today

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

not fair and not really school zones

Chickenhawks wrote:

...This actually seems pretty fair to me, compared to other places...

In New York state, the requirements for establishing a "school speed zone" are in the state Vehicle and Traffic law (VTL) which is based on nationwide standards. The New York City speed camera program completely ignores all the requirements of the Vehicle and Traffic law. School zone signs are not required and the speed cameras are in operation until late at night even though schools are closed.

Cameras have been placed on arterial highways such as Queens Boulevard if there is a school remotely nearby. The real purpose of the cameras is enforcing the citywide 25 mph speed limit on every road everywhere, not the stated purpose of the law, which is schools. 25 mph (40 kph) is an unreasonably low general speed limit.

This affects any driver who is unaware that a school is nearby, particularly visitors. Tourism is the number one business in NYC, and the tourists are most at risk from the speed cameras. I am a lifelong New Yorker, now living in the suburbs, and I NEVER drive into the city only because of the speed cameras.

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we need NYC members to become involved

GlobeTurtle wrote:

...So let me know if you stumble across anything. We're resourceful and feel good about keeping in sync with the additional changes. I just figured that since we've received multiple posts on it recently, I'd update you all on where we're at regarding NYC give some of our newer members a glimpse of what goes in to providing quality camera file content.

~Angela

Thanks, Angela, for your attention to New York City. This is a chance for new members to become involved. If there hasn't been a great public outcry up to now, there will be when the speed camera program greatly expands.

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State law being overruled by a city. Great!

dobs108 wrote:

In New York state, the requirements for establishing a "school speed zone" are in the state Vehicle and Traffic law (VTL) which is based on nationwide standards. The New York City speed camera program completely ignores all the requirements of the Vehicle and Traffic law. School zone signs are not required and the speed cameras are in operation until late at night even though schools are closed.

Cameras have been placed on arterial highways such as Queens Boulevard if there is a school remotely nearby. The real purpose of the cameras is enforcing the citywide 25 mph speed limit on every road everywhere, not the stated purpose of the law, which is schools. 25 mph (40 kph) is an unreasonably low general speed limit.

This affects any driver who is unaware that a school is nearby, particularly visitors. Tourism is the number one business in NYC, and the tourists are most at risk from the speed cameras. I am a lifelong New Yorker, now living in the suburbs, and I NEVER drive into the city only because of the speed cameras.

dobs108 mad

Another good reason to NEVER go to New York!

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My wife saw cars passing a bus while my kids were getting on.

johnnatash4 wrote:

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

When the the youngest was still in elementary school, my wife was home at the time and would stand at the bus stop with him. She had seen cars on multiple occasions going by the bus while it was stopped with the red lights flashing and the stop sign arm out. One day, it happened while the door was open and he was getting off the bus, my wife told the driver that she had the license plate if the driver wanted it.

The driver said she never reports them because she would have to do extra paperwork. Since my wife wasn't working at the time, that was the last day my son took the bus. I still see cars driving by stopped buses to this day.

From my perspective as a parent, I'd like to see buses have camera's, since many drivers don't feel safety is important.

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KenSny wrote:

State Law Being Overruled By A City. Great!

Happens all the time in Philadelphia, PA. There was a Philly DA that told council they were passing illegal laws because of state preemption and she would not enforce them, Council passed them anyway.

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Airbrushed wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

I was home and observed from my window--a cherry picker tree co. truck blew a school buses reds.

Would it be fair to say that the vast majority of people here are parents? I should think we would be pro safety when it comes to kids. But how naive I am, I know. It's as simple as my kids graduated or I am a grandparent, what do I care about school buses or school zones, that's long past.

When the the youngest was still in elementary school, my wife was home at the time and would stand at the bus stop with him. She had seen cars on multiple occasions going by the bus while it was stopped with the red lights flashing and the stop sign arm out. One day, it happened while the door was open and he was getting off the bus, my wife told the driver that she had the license plate if the driver wanted it.

The driver said she never reports them because she would have to do extra paperwork. Since my wife wasn't working at the time, that was the last day my son took the bus. I still see cars driving by stopped buses to this day.

From my perspective as a parent, I'd like to see buses have camera's, since many drivers don't feel safety is important.

I know that it's not just school buses, it's many things, where people simply believe that rule/regulation/law doesn't apply to me.

I love it when there is a sign, "reserved for parents with children."

We all know what it means. The spaces are set aside for people who are dealing with children so they can park closer. But you see teens and elderly and people by themselves park anyway, because there is zero enforcement. I joked with my buddy, a person could say, I do have children. They are in their 40's and live in California--the sign says for parents with children, which is what I am.

I totally get that school buses are inconvenient, but hey, many things are.

I hate red light cameras...

but speed cameras in school zones are something I can live with. I think they should take it one step farther though. Get 3 in a 1-2 year period and the owner of the vehicle gets a summons to appear in court and explain to the judge why they drive the way they do or why is someone driving their car like they are. The biggest problem is they never get the bad drivers off the road.

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Frside007 wrote:

but speed cameras in school zones are something I can live with. I think they should take it one step farther though. Get 3 in a 1-2 year period and the owner of the vehicle gets a summons to appear in court and explain to the judge why they drive the way they do or why is someone driving their car like they are. The biggest problem is they never get the bad drivers off the road.

I'm like you, it's not like I love technology that's intended on busting us. But then I start to realize well if I'm not running lights then maybe I shouldn't worry. I mean I have mentioned a toddler was run over and killed at my gym, and everyone felt bad, yet a few weeks later business as usual. This is reality.

They did install speed bumps and no turn on red any direction at the entrance. People still turn right on red, and drive right over the bumps failing to yield to peds. I'll even go as far as to say as the biggest offenders are in fact young parents, if you can believe that.

We're all in a hurry today. But, there should be a consequence when it's excessive. Many places seem to think 11-12 mph is that threshold.