Red Light Cameras BANNED in Texas

 

Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed into law that cameras at red lights are no longer allowed. Governor Abbott signed House Bill 1631 BANNING Red Light Cameras in the state of Texas.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Gov-Abbott-Signs-Bill-Bann...

According to figures from the Texas Comproller's Office, Texas cities have netted around $537 million from red light camera tickets since 2008.

According to POI the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex (population of 7.5 million) has the fourth largest number of red light cameras among cities and metro areas in the United States at 261.

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Texas

Texas is moving from infrared to blue.

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Red Light Cameras Banned in Texas - It is now law

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Man, oh Man,.....

I wish MD would outlaw them !!!!

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diesel wrote:

Texas is moving from infrared to blue.

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I second that emotion

rkf wrote:

I wish MD would outlaw them !!!!

I'm always afraid my mail box will be full of tickets after I visit. Never happened, but you never know. There are cameras all over the place in MD.

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Red Light Cameras

Red Light cameras equal tickets for right turn on red. Hopefully this is a trend that will stop this tax.

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Never heard of a RLC being used for proper right on red ticket

Dudlee wrote:

Red Light cameras equal tickets for right turn on red. Hopefully this is a trend that will stop this tax.

I've never heard of a red light camera being used to issue tickets to drivers that make proper (e.g. come to a complete stop) right turns on red. Each ticket issued using a red light camera is first checked by a traffic officer to make sure there was an infraction of a traffic law.

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RLC

Dudlee wrote:

Red Light cameras equal tickets for right turn on red. Hopefully this is a trend that will stop this tax.

Heck I see people every day making a right turn on a RED light or a stop sign and they barely slow down. If they get a ticket, I have no sympathy for them !!!

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Not Good

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

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The red light camera vendor provides ongoing services

diesel wrote:

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

The red light camera vendor provides initial data, engineering, setup and ongoing system assessment and services, as well as specific camera-related maintenance. The cost of these services is paid to the vendor as part of their contract with the city and is part of the 'cost to operate' the red light cameras.

It's not as-if the red light camera vendor ships the equipment to the city and then the vendor no longer provides any ongoing services to the city, or for the cameras. Note the 'cost to operate' column in the following link.

https://flatpage-archive.texastribune.org/library/data/texas...

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PERCENTAGE OF THE TICKET REVENUE

There was an investigation a few years ago when it was found that the camera system had a very sensitive trigger finger and was giving out plenty of tickets. Turns out the vendor adjusted the margins to trigger more tickets to crank up the revenue and their income. That is so wrong.

koot wrote:
diesel wrote:

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

The red light camera vendor provides initial data, engineering, setup and ongoing system assessment and services, as well as specific camera-related maintenance. The cost of these services is paid to the vendor as part of their contract with the city and is part of the 'cost to operate' the red light cameras.

It's not as-if the red light camera vendor ships the equipment to the city and then the vendor no longer provides any ongoing services to the city, or for the cameras. Note the 'cost to operate' column in the following link.

https://flatpage-archive.texastribune.org/library/data/texas...

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Exactly, short yellows and other tricks

diesel wrote:

There was an investigation a few years ago when it was found that the camera system had a very sensitive trigger finger and was giving out plenty of tickets. Turns out the vendor adjusted the margins to trigger more tickets to crank up the revenue and their income. That is so wrong.

koot wrote:
diesel wrote:

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

The red light camera vendor provides initial data, engineering, setup and ongoing system assessment and services, as well as specific camera-related maintenance. The cost of these services is paid to the vendor as part of their contract with the city and is part of the 'cost to operate' the red light cameras.

It's not as-if the red light camera vendor ships the equipment to the city and then the vendor no longer provides any ongoing services to the city, or for the cameras. Note the 'cost to operate' column in the following link.

https://flatpage-archive.texastribune.org/library/data/texas...

I think there are still a few in Arizona, but Pima County and Tucson got rid of the Crooks

Needs

to be done in all 50 states!

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koot wrote:
diesel wrote:

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

The red light camera vendor provides initial data, engineering, setup and ongoing system assessment and services, as well as specific camera-related maintenance. The cost of these services is paid to the vendor as part of their contract with the city and is part of the 'cost to operate' the red light cameras.

It's not as-if the red light camera vendor ships the equipment to the city and then the vendor no longer provides any ongoing services to the city, or for the cameras. Note the 'cost to operate' column in the following link.

Allowing the vendor to make money is theoretically okay. However, their revenue and profit should be based on their work/product and should not be based on taking a cut (sometimes majority) of ticket fines. In other words, governments should pay them to install/operate a camera, not incentivize them to find ways to issue tickets.

how many people do yo see

how many people do you see making proper right turns on red into the left lane?
Or making proper left turns on green into the right lane?

The law is to turn into the closest travel lane.

Why aren't tickets issued for that? People are stupid.

Very good

It will take a few years for these to completely go away as certain cities love the revenue and have been extending the contracts as far into the future as they can get away with.

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telecomdigest2 wrote:
koot wrote:
diesel wrote:

What I don't like about these cameras is that the companies providing net camera installations get a percentage of the ticket revenue. That seems to be so wrong.

The red light camera vendor provides initial data, engineering, setup and ongoing system assessment and services, as well as specific camera-related maintenance. The cost of these services is paid to the vendor as part of their contract with the city and is part of the 'cost to operate' the red light cameras.

It's not as-if the red light camera vendor ships the equipment to the city and then the vendor no longer provides any ongoing services to the city, or for the cameras. Note the 'cost to operate' column in the following link.

Allowing the vendor to make money is theoretically okay. However, their revenue and profit should be based on their work/product and should not be based on taking a cut (sometimes majority) of ticket fines. In other words, governments should pay them to install/operate a camera, not incentivize them to find ways to issue tickets.

Some states limit where any excess revenue generated from the red light camera program can go. In Texas, for example, ANY REVENUE IN EXCESS OF WHAT IT COSTS CITIES TO RUN THE PROGRAM goes to trauma care centers that treat car crash victims and local transportation expenses.

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Iowa.

There was a proposal in the Iowa legislature this year to make local jurisdictions turn the bulk of the revenue from cameras over to the state. It was a not-so-transparent attempt to discourage cities from using cameras. They have tried various tactics to ban the cameras, but so far the proposed bills don't make it out of committee or get voted down. The state DOT also tried to put restrictions on local jurisdictions using cameras, but the court threw that out the window. In Cedar Rapids (affectionately known as Speeder Trapids wink ), the cameras have been turned off for the past couple of years while the various legislative proposals and court cases made their way through the system, but the cameras are now turned back on and will begin issuing tickets on July 1.

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238 Texas RLC's removed from camera content

There are still several cities who's camera programs will remain active through the end of their contract. The new law allows for that.
The majority of cities had contracts with language pertaining to, "adverse legislation" which allowed them to end their contract immediately should the law change. I made changes based on the most reliable sources available. I'm sure there'll be additional changes next week and throughout the month as more municipalities finalize decisions on compliance.

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It's a start in the right

It's a start in the right direction.

Will you update the 'Areas with the most camera locations' page?

GlobeTurtle wrote:

There are still several cities who's camera programs will remain active through the end of their contract. The new law allows for that.

The majority of cities had contracts with language pertaining to, "adverse legislation" which allowed them to end their contract immediately should the law change. I made changes based on the most reliable sources available. I'm sure there'll be additional changes next week and throughout the month as more municipalities finalize decisions on compliance.

~Angela

Will you be updating the numbers on the list titled 'Areas with the most camera locations' on the Red Light Camera' tab page?
► Edit: I see that you have now updated the above referenced list by removing all the Texas areas/cities from the list.

Also, removing the Texas communities 'Communities listed by state' under 'Coverage for your area?' ( http://www.poi-factory.com/node/1353 )

And, removing the red dots in the state of Texas on the U.S. map representing red light cameras.

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Do I need to Worry

Hello just wondering if I will need to worry about this when I travel to the Boston Area next week. I wil be going through parts of New York on I90.

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Will your trip to Boston [somehow] take you through Texas?

MickeyMouse00 wrote:

Hello just wondering if I will need to worry about this when I travel to the Boston Area next week. I wil be going through parts of New York on I90.

This thread is about red light cameras being banned in Texas. Will your trip to Boston [somehow] take you through Texas?

PS - I hope all went as well as possible with your Mom's funeral. Comfort to you... ... ...

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A place to visit

Wanting to go sometime for some ball games and check off the 2 parks - now i won't have to worry about running a red (not that it has ever happened).

Yeah, I am glad to see the

Yeah, I am glad to see the cameras go, but yes many feel right turn on red after stop means right turn on red yield. Constables here write many tickets for rolling stops at stop signs. No sympathy, if one can't follow the law, seek to change it and when that fails, obey the law or don't drive and don't complain when a citation is issued. Didn't know red light cameras were a red and blue issue. Strange.

Here in RI ...

The cameras routinely flash when I make a right on RED, but I have never been issued a ticket, so there must be a review, as mentioned.

CC

$75???

I see the sign in the article lists a fine of $75 for an infraction. Wow. Compared to California that is really cheap!

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What is 'California' that you speak of?

thrak wrote:

I see the sign in the article lists a fine of $75 for an infraction. Wow. Compared to California that is really cheap!

What is 'California' that you speak of?

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$50 in NY

thrak wrote:

I see the sign in the article lists a fine of $75 for an infraction. Wow. Compared to California that is really cheap!

Still wish they'd get rid of them here. There are so many of them! They just added many more speed cameras here next to schools. I can almost go with that vs the RLC's everywhere.

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Right turn on Red

Living here in miserable Illinois, Red light cameras blanket all over Chicago. After taking the wife to a Dr. appointment in the Village of Summit, we were re-routed because if construction. At an intersection I was not familiar with, there was a sign obstructed from view that said no turn on red. Well, you know where this is going. A month later i get a $100 ticket in the mail. Tried to fight it with no success. I just hope there is a special spot in hell next to the furnace for these greedy people.

As long as there is Profit to be made

There is also the potential for thievery, glad Texas is doing this. Arizona did away with State Cam's but still allows local Cam's. We voted them out in Tucson and Pima County

It was $40 in Rochester NY

Our Mayor "Lovely Warren" got rid of them. And, yes that is her name. She was able to get rid of them because it violated the rights of the "less fortunate" who couldn't afford to pay the tickets. I'm glad the RLC's are gone, but, don't break the law!

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late

koot wrote:
thrak wrote:

I see the sign in the article lists a fine of $75 for an infraction. Wow. Compared to California that is really cheap!

What is 'California' that you speak of?

2 the party but fines in CA are routinely $500+ for almost anything. So someone who relocates and finds $75 or $100 fines might not be deterred. I think $100 is reasonable. Won't kill a person and just might make them think twice. If not, then as I said most people can afford it it's an unplanned lunch with the family.