I've thought about this recently. I have and maintain 3 Garmins, for myself, spouse, and parents. What would I do if the Garmins start to no longer function?
I rarely use mine as I have found smartphone more efficient. Spouse hasn't moved over yet. Parents will probably not. Since I have 3, I don't plan on buying any replacements if any break, each one will serve as backup down the line. Mine already is essentially a back up for the others.
Curious to how many do others have and would you replace?
I like using my GPS units.
I still maintain my one Garmin, but i generally never take it out anymore and just use my phone when travelling into the States. I pull an offline map for the area where I will be going so nothing is needed for data.
was trying to get a feel for how much data is consumed by cellular GPS. Doesn't seem like much but still wanted to know.
I have a 27 mile commute to work, and not sure if time means anything (one wouldn't think so), but it takes 75 min. to get to work one way, 45 min the other direction.
I used 200 mb of data in a week, 70 of which is google maps.
Maybe 300 mb a month? round up. Maybe .5 gb. Not nothing, but doesn't seem to break the bank and considering how much time is saved, to me, makes sense. I notice it now has speed limit too, which is what I wanted from Garmin, rlc not sure I think it depends--waze has all that.
I used to be scared to use a cell system dependent nav service for fear of massive data consumption. It's not bad at all. I've watched app data consumption and it's very little.
Interesting reads from everyone. Up to this post, I did a tally and came up with more or less 28 YES 3 UNDECIDED 8 NO to my original question.
Currently I use both a Garmin Nuvi 765 and a Rand McNally 7720 in our 40 foot motorhome. I like both units for different reasons. The Rand McNally is programmable to my size vehicle, etc.
No GPS came built in on the RV, so I depend on these units. My iPhone and my wife's iPad supplements them, but in no way replaces them.
Our Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd that we tow behind the RV has GPS, which means I don't have to disconnect the ones that are full time in the RV. A real benefit.
BTW, You cannot back up with a car (4-wheels down) in tow, so if your GPS or your stupidity causes you to get on a dead end or other no U-turn situation, you have no choice but to unhook the damn car, then hook it back up. A real pain in a arrse.
Currently I use both a Garmin Nuvi 765 and a Rand McNally 7720 in our 40 foot motorhome. I like both units for different reasons. The Rand McNally is programmable to my size vehicle, etc. Larger Display size on the Rand McNally is also a major plus when driving an RV, where you have to watch for more things like tail swing, offset tracking, etc.
I would buy a new Nuvi. I was trying to use my phone this week for navigaton and I had no internet service. I never had that problem with the Nuvi.
Would buy another.
OLD SCHOOL still have a flip phone.
Inexpensively, I would think. I'd probably buy a refurbished model from Garmin on eBay.
Since the question is whether or not I would buy another standalone GPS or use some other navigation device (ie, smartphone), I would definitely fall in the GPS camp. While I cannot compare smartphone nav capabilities to my 2639 (and previously 1490, 1450, 200, etc.), there are some things I use my GPS for that fills my needs pretty well. If anyone can provide info about similar smartphone capabilities, I’d be interested in that. So, for me the following are ways that I use my GPS, to:
1. load the many POIs found here at POI-Factory. Thank you to all who provide this valuable information.
2. develop—and save—routine trips with waypoints where there is more than Point A to Point B, but include many points in between.
3. allow me to listen to internet radio on my roadtrips through my smartphone while still having a nav capability.
4. most importantly, allow me to explore.
Number four requires more explanation. I used to travel extensively to various cities where I might not know much about the area. My GPS POIs would allow me to confidently go exploring the nearby attractions and sights, like Diners, Drive Ins and Dives locations, or the “biggest” something like the lemon in Lemon, CA. So on these business trips my GPS would help me to get out of my hotel room and explore.
Actually, there is a number five. During those same business trips, often to military bases, getting to the gate was not the objective, but rather getting to specific buildings on the base. Buildings on military bases often do not have an actual street address. In these cases, having the capability to save the LAT/LON of a building made my GPS my BFF.
Not sure which one though. I heard something abut lifetime maps only being good for two years on Tom Tom so I guess that brand is out...
The "lifetime map" is defined by TomTom as for the useful life of the device. The maps are growing dramatically as they add more information, and some of the older devices no longer have sufficient memory to store the new maps, but the "useful life" is much more than two years.
As an example, the TomTom that I bought 10 years ago was just classified as "end-of-life". It's still working fine, but lacks sufficient internal memory for future maps. The newer models can operate off either internal or external memory, have a lot more internal memory, and also accept micro-SD chips up to 32 GB, so two years is very far from an accurate value, from what I see.
- Tom -
It has occurred to me me that just saying "a lot more internal memory" was a rather vague statement, so I decided to add a few details in the interest of clarity.
My old device, which no longer has enough memory for the newest maps, has 2 GB of internal memory and no slot for a card to add more. My Go 620 has 16 GB of internal memory and a 32 GB Micro SD card added for external memory. I currently have the latest USA & Canada map active in internal memory, and a map for Germany, Austria, and Switzerland plus a map for Eastern Europe on the SD card.
The unit reports 5.7 GB free internally, and 29.2 GB free on the SD card.
My wife and I each had a garmin nuvi 2455lmt - she got hooked on using waze on her smartphone due to much better real time traffic for her commute to/from miami - the garmin traffic was ok but definitely lacked the speedy updates needed down here to avoid clogged traffic. After I had a temp job near her office, I agreed that the garmin was just so-so and we had a similar issue in Canada when the garmin route was a total screw up due to a massive highway closure. We switched to the smartphone and it got us through the cities and backroads to avoid the entire mess. I sold her's on ebay. I use my smartphone gps now and been pretty happy with the results. I never really used POIs very often but I'd say thats the only thing that would make my smartphone GPS a 100% replacement permanently.
...it looks like Garmin is no longer updating my so called lifetime map plan. I've been using Garmin from the days when hardly anyone knew what gps meant. I'm very used to my 15 year old 276C. Before it i had the similar 176C. I don't know what to get to replace it. I have a number of good Android tablets, so i could switch to that. An important factor for me is whether i can put all my waypoints in. Which android tablet apps will accept my Garmin waypoints?
Add: Maybe i can update my maps after all! See:
I will buy another one in if my old one ever break.
could this be a case where the only people who respond, are those who are with Garmin until the end? And for each of them, there are 1-99 who don't bother to respond, who have moved on? enquiring minds want to know.
Old school is good, I like a clutch and manual transmission. But when it comes to saving 15 to 45 min. on a 24 mile commute, I'll use google maps...
I had said I like my Garmin for speed limit info, but now google maps has that too. Soon there won't be anything left that it doesn't do...
I'd be interesting in know how you came up with 45 minutes, maybe an older GPS. My DriveSmart 61 gives me at least two routes to choose from, sometimes three, when possible, when I program a destination and they are normally within 10 minutes of each other.
Did you do a head to head test with a Garmin and Google running the same route? Was the Garmin up to date?
People/companies are putting way too much on smartphones these days, I wouldn't want to be at a critical part of a route and have a phone call take over the Google Map app.
Call it old school if ya like but I like single minded devices. A phone these days can do so many things there has to be a compromise in how well it does them.
I keep and maintain many, see my signature line.
As long as Garmin keeps making them if I need one I'll get one. I absolutely prefer a stand alone GPS over a phone. Larger screen is one reason, I don't want a phone the size of a tablet.
So far I haven't been anywhere that the GPS lost it's connection, the phone many times.
I'm not sure about POI's on a smartphone but with my Garmin they are very easy to load.
I've been using Garmins for a long time, I'm used to their interface and hope to continue for years to come.
My sentiments, exactly. I favor single purpose gadgets that do a good job over multipurpose ones that do a mediocre job.
I hope I do this right. I agree with both. I have gone to a newer bike and have been super frustrated with how "un-logical" the GPS thing is. I really like being able to upload maintained POI's but also creating one of my own specific to my "trip". I do use a phone when the bike GPS can't find something that should be able to be found. I like Wi-Fi places to get data for the phone.
right now Seattle is going through a transformation on the roads so the garman updated maps wont be of much use. Seattle traffic is a zoo as it is without the help of department of transportation fixing it. so for now its the cell phone for a GPS until the maps get updated again.
I don't think so. I will likely get a cheap smart phone, use waze or something like it. connect it to my smartphone for net work
Sadly this will likely be my last Garmin. I do love their ability to input POI, ability be used as a speedo (need to replace the speedo gear in my Jeep), can be used reliably without cell signal and can be a stand alone unit. Sadly, I will have a hard time justifying the price with how reliable my phone has gotten. Not to mention that my phone has a couple different apps that can be used as needed in addition to the fact it has a much better battery life and can play through the car speakers with the music.
Wife's GPS on her phone is acting wonky so she borrowed my GPS for a trip to see her family this weekend. We'd replace her phone except they cost so much and the new ones are not as nice as the old ones.
I purchased a Garmin 500 from Costco forever ago and it lasted a good long time. I think I jammed it up putting images and bloat on it and it died sometime back. The dreaded boot loop. Not many repair places will even touch that model. Most want 50 bucks just to look at it. For about double that price I purchased a DriveLuxe 50 (I believe) and I couldn't be more pleased. The 500 was good since it handled driving, walking, biking and boating modes, but since I have a hand held, I went for the car only model for about twice the price of the repair on the old 500. The technology of the GPS sure has improved over time. I like the Smartphone link (most of the time), and the ability to hear messages when touching the GPS is very nice when your car doesn't have the newer capabilities. All that being said, I too only really use the GPS on long trips. I prefer the real time from the cellphone.
My kid works at a place where they process auction cars. You would not believe how many of these devices are left in cars that are sold for auction. I have a lifetime supply of free Garmins, TomToms, and Magellans.
Would depend on car at the time. Daughter in law has a new ford focus. They use their android phones on the cars radio system thing. It displays their google maps from their phone on the display. I see no need for gps if you have that system.
Not as fancy in my 2009 Kia so I still use garmin but I'm finding for shorter trips, I just use my phone. These newer cars are coming with nice toys built in
I have a 2017 Kia Optima with the built in Android Auto/Apple Carplay system. While it works as advertised with Google Maps navigation I still use my nuvi 3597 with Smartphone Link. I have tried to like the built in Android Auto/Google Maps app, but for me, it just doesn't measure up. There are too many features it doesn't have compared to the nuvi. It is great to have it in a pinch if I forgot to take my nuvi along, and there are times I use the Google features to find a location. But given the choice for day-to-day navigation, I will always pick the 3597.
One interesting side note is that I can run Android Auto/Google navigation and my nuvi with Smartphone Link traffic side-by-side using the same phone with no conflicts. I turned off the hands-free phone access in the nuvi and let Android auto make and receive the phone calls. That way I can use the steering wheel buttons, microphone and car speakers for phone calls.
What it would cost me to have a phone plan with data to be able to use the phone as a GPS, for that cost I can buy an new Garmin every year!
I know you in the USA have much cheaper cell phone rates. Cell phone plans are expensivein Canada.!
Currently in Mexico, I pay $ 10.00 and I get 28 days unlimited calls within Mexico, about 2,000 minutes calling the USA and Canada and a small data plan. Additionally I can use this north of Mexico.
I'll have to buy a new car and play to figure it all out. Even now, I don't see me doing my yearly trip to Myrtle Beach with my phone only. Still use the garmin so I do see what you're saying.
If Garmin made a device to connect to your Car (just like your cell phone using Android Auto)
This device would not need a screen but be able to connect to your Computer for updates and settings (like poi files and such) then in your car, it will use your screen to do the gps work!!
I just replaced my old Garmin with Drivesmart 61
What I would like to see is for Garmin to get back into the app (software) business and reintroduce Viago or something comparable that will have all the features of the nuvi/Drive devices and will run on Android Auto/Apple CarPlay. If they had this, I would be willing to pay a (reasonable) annual subscription fee to cover map and software updates. Sadly, Garmin has discontinued all their navigation apps and appears to be going in the opposite direction.
I agree fully, I like dedicated devices
I understand your feelings, and there's a lot of debate regarding dedicated GPS device vs cell phone GPS. But, you don't necessarily need to despair if pricing is an issue. I got my last three GPS for our fleet cars at pawn shops. I was able to locate identical models at two local pawn shops, all with free lifetime maps and traffic data and all were under $40 a piece.
Worried about reliability? Many pawn shops offer extended warranties for a small fee, and the total price is still far less than a new GPS unit.
I prefer a separate GPS device because if I use my phone while in GPS mode, the lack of a visual screen combined with conflicting audio (phone conversation vs audible navigation prompts) is annoying.
I got my last three GPS for our fleet cars at pawn shops. I was able to locate identical models at two local pawn shops, all with free lifetime maps and traffic data and all were under $40 a piece.
You might even find the one that was stolen from you car last week!
You might even find the one that was stolen from you car last week!
Standalone GPS devices are no longer considered valuable and worth stealing anymore. Most pawn shops won't even take them. They are like a pager or a beeper. Remember those?
I prefer a Garmin. Recently bought a 3597 LTM (used) as my 1490 (w/LTM ad on) was acting up. Wife has a 765 (w/LTM ad on).
GPS is available everywhere. If you use online maps you rely on cell towers.
If you use vehicle nav you rely on mfg and mostly cost to update and can't add POIs. My Toyota nav is REALLY no competition for Garmin. I would not buy it, but it came with other options I wanted.
My 3597 voice control is very good, touch screen it as sensitive as my Huawei phone. Toyota not so much, and routing is pretty bad too. Phone plan won't support all the data, but it only costs me $36/year.
If you buy a Chrysler product it might be a dif story as they use Garmin.
...so yes I'd buy another GPS if/when the current one breaks. I'm one of those people that, *Gasp!*, doesn't take their phone with them everywhere they go. And when I do have it, I don't even have a phone plan per se, just one of those deals where you "refill" it every once in a while, and that's all I want/need.
Stick to a standalone GPS. You don't see pilots and boat captains using their phones. But seriously, My cell phones gps isn't that great in crappy weather conditions (signal issues when clouds are heavy rain/snow) and when I drive in the City with tall buildings all around. It is really bad if you wan't to go hiking.
I think they are an essential part of driving, certainly in the UK. Try driving through the centre of London without a SatNav of some sort. You are penalized for every mistake and it is no fun. The UK roads are extremely crowded and getting worse all the time.
I holiday in the States as much as I can and am going again in six weeks to Tennessee. I love the roads and to see your SatNav say "keep straight for 126 miles then turn left" is a joy! So personally, I have been driving for 46 years and the SatNav has transformed so many people's lives.
Nice to have a back up in case there's no cell signal or my phone is incapacitated for some reason.
Sounds like you're comparing big city driving and interstate freeway driving. Try driving in downtown Los Angeles or San Francisco, CA. Want more fun? Rent a stick shift (manual transmission) car and drive it during rush hour in the streets of San Francisco.
Fair comment! Our motorways used to like your freeways but with roadworks every few miles, become a nightmare. We have too many cars in the UK, our 4 lane roads are normally bumper to bumper. I have driven in Chicago and it reminded me of London, just a bit bigger. Looking forward to my fortnight in Tennessee in May, love your country.
Cell phone is too small for me.
I would probably use my mobile phone, even though dedicated GPS's give more info.
Current 3597 is my choice over Google, even on Apple play in CC. Google is limited in route selection styles and planning a trip. Short jaunts around the city may have better traffic with Google or Waze but limited for planning a long trip.
Looking for a back up to 3597. Not sure what will give me the screen resolution and the best mount. Suggestions?
CC map updates are $125-$145 and no idea what will be on the new SD card. Pretty discussed with VW GPS.
We like the 7xx-8xx Nuve's and would try and fix to keep them
I just bought a new one
Thanks for the info on this thread and the links to the used units.
Yes I would buy another as I only use my phone for emergencies.
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