Need info on Backup Program for W10 that boots off cd/dvd

 

Up till W10 I've been using Aconis Home 2011, and have been very happy with it... I have 3 W7 systems, one (Server) that still boots off SCSI, and I've used that program to boot off CD, store backups to USB Drive and then recover it to same or entirely different drive... Been Quite Happy with it...

Last year I get Wife new HP Laptop with W10... Once it's set up.... I find that Acronis I know and love will not boot on it...

Contact Acronis, and they tell me it's the newer Bios and motherboard that's not compatible... And say Newer Acronis will be fine.. Not opposed to spending money.. and with such good prior history with Acronis.. I bought it... Made Bootable CD (That works) and made 3 different (Complete) backups over the next 6 months...

Drive got scrambled on Windows Update... Tried to fix for a day, then decided to recover from backup... It Fails! Tried of second backup... It Fails! Tried off 3rd backup... It Fails!!! DARN!!!

Fortunately Laptop is still under warranty.. HP Support walks me through reloading W10 from their "Hidden" directory.... Drive was not 'bad' just scrambled during 'W10 Windows Update' and after a couple questions and tests, he acted as if he's seen this before... 4 hours later.. I'm staring at new system...
Then I re-load all the programs I had there before, and fortunately had individual backups on NAS.. 2 weeks later, I'm back up.....

Then it hits me.... If I ever want to be as comfortable with a backup and restore program --- to cover my ass... Or Upgrade from a Spinning HD to SSD (Something I'd like to do when warranty is over....) I WON'T be able to do this with Acronis... I don't trust it any more (It's OK for W7 systems, but not W10!!!)

So here's what I want to do...
1. have a backup program that will work on new motherboard with W10 PRO.
2. One that can run off a CD or DVD, and can store complete images of drive(s) reliably as a backup on an external USB Hard Drive.
3. One that will recover from an external USB Hard Drive image of a drive or drives, to origional, or different HD or SSD (that is larger--I'm willing to live with this limitation...).
4. And one that comes with a guarantee from someone who swears that they've used it in that way... and it works reliably!!!

If you use a backup and restore program for W10 system, and have tested both parts: (Boot of CD/DVD and backup... Boot of CD/DVD and restore to old or new HD or SSD)...

And you have done both reliably on W10 PRO on Newer System.....

Would you please post it's name, your results, and price?

I don't want to encounter what I just did with Acronis earlier this year ever again!!!

Especially so if I'm out of warranty!!!

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

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TeraByte

Just get "Image for Windows" from TeraByte at:
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/index.htm

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I had this problem

I had this problem yesterday, trying to create an image with Acronis, failed 3 this in the verifying mode, until I decided not to compress the files, then it worked, I hoped it did , I did not try to install the image on a bare drive yet.

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NickJr Nuvi 3597LMT

bios

it wont boot off the cd on my computer unless in the bios the boot priority has the cd first then whatever your boot drive is, at least that's the way it is on my system its also set up to boot from the usb and I use acronis 2015 with win 10 pro 64 bit I have an MSI motherboard.

acronis trueImage

I have been running Acronis TrueImage since 2013 and have paid a discounted rate for the latest edition every year since. I am now running 2018.

The cloud backup is not used. I use Acronis to run incremental backups to external drives on two PCs running Windows 7 x64, and also to sync files across an ethernet network on those PCs. The backups are not compressed. Acronis was used to make recovery DVDs for both.

One computer had a complete crash due to unknown software causes. I booted from the Acronis recovery disk in DOS and restored the hard drive image from backup. This was entirely successful.

Twice I formatted the hard drives of these PCs and did a clean install of Windows 7 and all my data from Acronis backup.

A year later I replaced the hard drives of both PCs with SSDs and Acronis transferred the image from the hard drives to the new SSDs without incident.

I have a third computer, an old Dell with a dual-boot Windows 7 x64 and Linux mint. This PC has no Windows 7 disk so being able to transfer its original Windows 7 image is very important. Acronis did this without incident when I got a larger hard drive.

Acronis TrueImage has run flawlessly and saved my b__t from a crash at least once. If it is not running properly for you on Windows 10 I would look elsewhere for the cause. In my opinion this is a Windows 10 problem and not an Acronis problem.

dobs108 smile

True Image

I have been using the free Western Digital Edition of Acronis True Image for several years on Windows XP, Windows 7 and now Windows 10. The WD Edition came with an added SATA hard drive I purchased for my desktop computer several years ago.

When I upgraded my desktop from W7 to Windows 10, the installed version of the True Image WD Edition would not work in Windows 10. I Googled for an updated version of WD Acronis True Image, and found the latest version 19.0.33. The download was free and that fixed the problem. It works great and I have backed up my Windows 10 with it several times. Note that to use the free WD Edition, you have to have a Western Digital hard drive installed in your computer, but once it detects the presence of the WD drive, it will backup and restore my main hard drive (a Toshiba 1 TB hard drive) with no problem.

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Alan - Android Auto, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra

Boot order you describe is

Boot order you describe is normal... I have each system here set to try and boot of CD/DVD as first, then default to HD/SSD

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Have you checked the boot order?

To have the laptop boot to the CD/DVD drive, the desired boot order must be entered in the laptop's BIOS. It is possible that the boot order is set to hard drive first, or USB first.

This may have not been discovered if no DVD or USB drive was in the laptop at first.

dobs108 smile

On my W7-64 video edit

On my W7-64 video edit system I boot off 300G 15K 320Mc SCSI (External drive chassis)..
For Past 3 years, Once a year, I've been backing up Boot SCSI with Acronis, and then replaced boot disk chassis with a different one (300Gb but only 10K 160Mc disk). I would then do a restore to this other drive... and then reboot, let it load Windows off this backup drive, and test. It finds that SCSI Driver is wrong, reloads correct one, and all is fine.... Programs and everything.. And then I'd shut down and go back to first boot drive chassis... This way I have a backup boot drive system good to that date... It has worked flawlessly for years...

Today I did that --- Twice...
and both times the resore didn't work correctly, and it finally asks for Windows disk...
This is SOMETHING NEW.
This in the past had been a viable backup procedure that I used repeatedly...
In fact 3 or so years ago on this computer, the SCSI Drive died, and I replaced a 15K Seagate with 15K Fujitsu, did a restore, and all was fine...
Not today...
SCSI Drive is good ---- I tested it in between first and second restore....
Symptoms after restore were the same.... both times..

Has Windows 7 changed to prevent Acronis from working??? -- or restoring to a different drive?

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Can you briefly describe the

TeraByte.... Can you briefly describe the operation of the "Image for Windows" program? I'm having trouble understanding how it would work...
Say I backup a Windows boot disk.... on a 2nd drive.
Drive then fails.
How do I boot up to recover the backup on a new blank drive?
I see where they say it stores to DVD but it appears it runs under windows, which doesn't help if drive dies... ????

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

backup windows 10

I use tarabyte for windows, and also use a free program, reflect, and the free program works well I am using it most of the time now, backs up and restores win 10 just fine for me.

tarabyte info

When you run the program you have the option of making a boot disk, it copies files needed to a dvd or cd, then you boot from this disk and choose what backup you want to use and where you want the backup to go. i do it all the time and works fine for me.

This sounds a lot like

darrell1949 wrote:

I use tarabyte for windows, and also use a free program, reflect, and the free program works well I am using it most of the time now, backs up and restores win 10 just fine for me.

the old program called Take Too...

I worked for a while then it failed as well...

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I've been trading emails

I've been trading emails with Terabyte, and they are brief in their answers.... (I'm getting longer answers from you! smile! )but they did say that one license covers 5 systems... And I have 4....

So let me ask couple other questions before doing the demo...

Works on W7 & W10

You load it on computer. Make a Bootable CD/DVD, and then run the backup under windows... to a 2nd drive....

and then when you need it... you boot off of CD/DVD, and then restore to the 'new' drive (let's assume original drive died or was upgraded to SSD)...

AM I correct on this workflow?

If you have more than one computer... What do you do... Load program on each, and create CD/DVD for each (so proper drivers are loaded?-- For example, one system here boots off SCSI)
How does it keep track of the 5 users?

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

P.S. to above post.... I'm

P.S. to above post.... I'm not enamored with SCSI, but, for video editing, I prefer having 2 separate Disk Systems.... One for Windows (In this case SCSI) and a 2nd one just for video data...

This way, when Windows does it's "Housekeeping" and uses disk buss bandwidth on that buss... Any video bandwidth being used at this point of time, on the other disk buss (SATA in this case) is not (in Theory) decreased, and...

Therefore... (Theoretically) Dropped Frames from decreased disk bandwidth from Windows 'doing it's thing....' is not an issue because video is on a different disk buss altogether....

In this case Both Disk Controllers are embedded in the motherboard, and deal directly with North and South Bridge and are not limited by PCI or ISA Buss speeds... Another Benefit of this thinking... Two Physical Processors helps, too!

This was the supposition I went on years ago (And Much $$) to try and get around dropped frames...

Fortunately for the Wife and I: I can report it is successful (and with Raid and Disk Speed Improvements, has just increased the capability....)

All this complexity and W7 only Software & the complex configuration means a Backup is absolutely essential to my good mental health, as loading it from the Get-Go would take a Week.

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

I've downloaded the GUI

I've downloaded the GUI Version of Image for Windows demo and doing a backup of SCSI boot now...
Once I figure out how to create a boot-able CD/DVD I'll swap out the good boot-able SCSI for the one that failed twice under Acronis yesterday, and restore to that....

That is... Once I determine how to make a boot-able CD/DVD

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

MACRIUM REFLECT FREE

MACRIUM REFLECT FREE you can't get it any easier or less expensive.
They have a paid version also if you need additional features. I love it.
Works with USB stick or CD to recover.
Can access file individually by mounting image.
Can image system, other partitions or the whole drive.
Image must, obviously, be saved on external drive.
Can image most systems in 15-20 min and restore in 30 min
best to setup partition D and move all your user files to it.
Then you do not need to image the whole system very often.
if you want more info PM me as I only get on here once a week if that.

A couple more emails to

A couple more emails to support.... Again Terabyte Support Answered with very few words and links, which, after reading these links create as many new questions as answering questions just asked..
Seeing that I don't know what either TBWinRE or TBWinPE is... I asked Support which I want to use... and while waiting for an answer thought "What the Heck--Try Option 1"...

What popped up next was a License Code Screen....
Some 'Full Featured' Demo!!!

It looked good, and I'm willing to pay... But they've got to show me it works first!! Phooey!
UN-INSTALLED!

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

I'm trying Macrium Reflect

I'm trying Macrium Reflect Free right now... (On SCSI Boot System)
Doing Backup... Hopefully will try to Restore it on another disk chassis later this PM... and then run on the 'restored system' for a day or so...

Software easy to determine what to do...
Install and CD/DVD (I used DVD) build was easy to do... and booted without issue.

I didn't examine the differences in versions... Figured I'd do that after it is known to work good...

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Backup finished.. Removed

Backup finished.. Removed External SCSI (300Gb Fujitsu 320Mc) Boot enclosure.. ID0
Disco'd 68 Pin & Active Term... attached to:
2nd SCSI enclosure (300Gb Seagate 160Mc) chassis...ID0
Started Recovery....
Crossed fingers

As I'm watching the restore go down... I glance at the drive sizes:
The Source: Fujitsu MBA3300NC is 279.39Gb
The Destination drive: COMPAQ MD30089BBA is 279.40Gb

JUST!!!

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

After restore finished...

After restore finished... Shut down... Then Powered up...
Took longer to boot (10-12Min) but once it was done thrashing.... it seemed ok! Typing on it now!
Re-booted and reboot was much faster....
Just verified edit system and HDMI out of capture card is good with Edit timeline....
I'll run on this disk for a day or so... Then Restore to 2nd SCSI Boot drive....

THANK YOU ruggb!

Update: Unfortunately this morning drive is dead slow... Shut it down rudely and it stepped on BIOS settings. Once that was fixed (WHEW!) booted off 3rd SCSI Drive chassis (Acronis backup 11-2016) and it worked fine.. with data from 2016... So since that worked fine.... shut down, and am restoring yesterday's Macrium Reflect onto it....

I'm now hoping that 2nd Boot Chassis has a degrading hard drive...
I'll know if it's windows or drive later today...
This ain't fun any more!!! smile!

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

3rd drive chassis restored

3rd drive chassis restored fine..
The issue appears to be a failing 2nd drive enclosure....

Exhales slowly!!! smile! (One step forward--two steps back!)
I'm now sidetracked on getting a new 300Gb 320Mc 15K 80 Pin SCSI Drive....

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

SCSI

By SCSI you mean SCSI and not SATA? Both are serial interfaces. I haven't heard anything SCSI in ten years...

dobs108 smile

It's an old Server,

It's an old Server, Supermicro X7DA8+, that has both SATA and SCSI on motherboard... SATA used for Video storage, SCSI for Boot.
It's my video editing system... Yes, I'm booting off SCSI (External drive assembly yet!!).... I've 3 boot chassis: a 300Gb 15K 320Mc that I normally boot off of, and backup, and 2x 300Gb 10K 160Mc drives each is separate enclosures that I have always restored to.... so I'd have 2 viable backup systems...
I usually do these update and restore in November... But I'm way backed up on projects... Including the backup plan for Wife's new Laptop... Which is where I was heading... (Testing new backup plan on Edit System -- Where I could easily test restore success -- and I'm late on doing that anyway) prior to doing it on Wife's Laptop....

So in the middle of testing on hardware that has worked before, 2nd drive enclosure drive died yesterday.... Changing priorities in a Great Way....

I'm running on 3rd (Slower Drive) and now looking for a New or Lightly Used: 300Gb, 15K, 320Mc, Large Cache, 68 Pin, LVD SCSI Hard Drive.....

and my heart rate slowed to normal about 2 hours ago!! smile!

Newegg has new in box Cheetah 300Gb, 15K, 320Mc, 16Gb Cache, 80 Pin LVD SCSI drives for $54

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Macrium Reflect

I am a big fan of Macrium Reflect. I started using it when is was recommended by Leo Notenboom, a guru that I trust and support with periodic donations.

For those interested, AskLeo offers this series of tutorials

http://ask-leo.com/backup_and_restore_with_macrium_reflect_5...

Macrium Reflect

As others have stated, this is a decent program. I first used it when I had a hard starting to fail and wanted to get a quick image of it before it died completely. I downloaded the free version and was able to image and restore it onto a new hard drive without any issues.

I have since paid for 4 computers to run it and I have had very few issues. I tend to keep an eye on it, so if backups start failing, I can get it resolved before it becomes an issue. Each of my computers has a 1 Tb external drive and hold months of data.

The only shortcoming I see is that it does not backup USB devices (thumbdrives, etc.). I have to remind myself to copy them onto the hard drive once in a while so that I don't lose the data on them (which has happened a couple of times).

Good luck.

Alan

USB drives ok, flash drives not

abeebe wrote:

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The only shortcoming I see is that it does not backup USB devices (thumbdrives, etc.). I have to remind myself to copy them onto the hard drive once in a while so that I don't lose the data on them (which has happened a couple of times).
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Alan

Alan, what you say is true although there may be a workaround for flash drives. see https://forum.macrium.com/Topic13218.aspx

I have several large USB drives attached which I use for backups (and several passport drives which I sue and put in safe and/or safety deposit box.

free backup

Name of the program I use that is a free backup program is Reflect.
so far I have no problem with this program.

SATA may be serial

dobs108 wrote:

By SCSI you mean SCSI and not SATA? Both are serial interfaces. I haven't heard anything SCSI in ten years...

dobs108 smile

But it's not SCSI. You need SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) for that. Just to make things even more interesting...

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No, this is SCSI, not SAS. A

No, this is SCSI, not SAS.
A SAS drive on this system will not be recognized...

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JanJ wrote:

No, this is SCSI, not SAS.
A SAS drive on this system will not be recognized...

I believe camerabob is correcting dobs108 statement that says SCSI = serial interface. That's incorrect.