Zumo 550 .. problem with 2018.30 update

No problems with the 450 install, using Mapsource to add the rest of North America to it's SD card.

Very odd goings on here ....

The Zumo 450 took the lower 49 NE update onto the unit itself with no problem. Also, using mapsource, I was able to load the rest of the North America map onto the SD card, again, no problem ... HOWEVER, the 450 will not take the poi files I want to load. POI loader runs and I get a success message at the end, but when checking to see if they are there it says "No Extras Loaded. For details" yada yada yada.

The Zumo 550 will not load the maps (lower 49 NE) onto the unit itself, keep getting a generic error didn't load kind of message. I was able to load the rest of North America onto the SD card AND the poi's loaded flawlessly too.

Both of these units had all of 2018.20 update split between the unit and SD card and my poi file.

As a kid who's watching his ball roll toward other folks would say ... "Little help please?"

Start by Deleting all language that you do not speak, only keep english , unless you understand/or speak any additional and you are planning to take a trip in a different country. I believe that each language they have 2 or 3 entries, so delete the 2 or 3 that correspond to the same language.
You will get additional free space room on your device.

Also if you have the JCV files remove from the unit and install it on the SD card it still will work.

As long you enable both the Gps and SD card on your Gps preference setting be sure that both have the Check Mark Enable.

If you do not see the different language on your Device
on your pc. CONTROL PANEL/Folder option/ select VIEW scroll down and enable SHOW ALL HIDDEN file,folder,and device. click apply and save..You can change back to hide this folder after you are done..

Thanks, I should have mentioned I had already removed that stuff as these units ran short on space years ago. When these units were new the new updates didn't remove the old maps, I believe now GE does remove the old maps during the process, It surprised me because these units have been real low for years and I have always kept them current with new updates with no problems.

Anyone else have an idea to try for either or both of my Zumo's?

Using MapInstall, one can selectively choose whatever map areas that one wants, and whatever map size would fit/work, for loading onto the GPS unit and the SD.

MapInstall for Windows:

http://www8.garmin.com/support/collection.jsp?product=999-99...

For Mac:

http://www8.garmin.com/support/collection.jsp?product=999-99...

FYI.

I can do that with mapsource too, to the SD card. I guess I'll end up installing everything to the SD card. Up until this update I was able to install a partial map to the unit and the balance to the SD card, buty as I mentioned in the first post GE is giving me an error on the 550, but no problem on the 450 with the maps, the 450 isn't taking the POI file. Two nearly identical units with two very different problems that were flawless up to this update.

MapSource is no longer supported by Garmin, and it hasn't been updated for the last seven years. There have been reports of compatibility issues with recent map versions using MapSource. MapInstall is the same map installation tool as that used in BaseCamp. As you has surmised that the size of the map file in the GPS unit is likely the culprit, thus start making smaller map files until it works. The only obvious difference between your 450 and 550 is the amount of free memory space--merely ~10MB...

Your last sentence is why I started this thread, the update worked on one and not the other, and then reversely the poi file would work on the one the update did not work but not the other where the update did work.

As for MapSource I understand it's outdated but it still works for me and I am used to it's interface. For the unit that GE updated I was able to install the rest of the map to the SD card, for the unit the updated map will not install on MapSource was able to put what would be the balance on the SD card, no problem.

Can anyone tell me what Garmin files other than those mentioned already are deletable?

You can delete all unwanted voice, text, keyboard, help, vehicle and EULA files.

I deleted all the unwanted text, voice, & vehicle files a long time ago, what are the file extensions for the keyboard, help and EULA?

Should be in the relevant folders, EULA folder is in the hidden .system folder, keyboard files are .kbd and help are various, but look in the Help folder.

... any of those files. Here's a screenshot of what is on my Zumo 550:

https://s1.postimg.org/2bfxv5j54f/550guts.jpg

Note there are two Garmin files that have something to do with the map from 2012 on there

Since the zumo 550 is a 2007 model, it would not have a hidden .system folder. If you have cleaned the files you don't want out of /Garmin/Voice, /Garmin/Text and /Garmin/Vehicle, that is probably the best you can do.

I think MapInstall is the solution.

MapInstall will allow you to select what sections to install. It has a handy "Progress Bar" near the bottom that keeps tabs on how much memory is available and how much will used while you select the sections.

The tricky part is to be sure to remember what you did NOT select, so you can then install those parts to the SD card. The SD card (or the device) is selectable in the 1st panel. I usually install as much of the lower 48 that I can to the unit and the rest to the SD card to my 660. My 660 has a 2 Gb map SIZE limit, so I have to use MapInstall no matter what.

BTW - what are the file extensions of the map files from 2012? You can probably delete them. Just be sure that they are backed up.

is to put the entire map on the SD card. It is not necessary to have any of the map in internal memory. Cloning would be one way to accomplish this.

FWIW, I did try Map Install on the 550 and other than the progress bar it's the same as Map Source, except Map Source allowed me to make the interface larger, couldn't figure that out on Map Install.

That said, Map Install would work on the SD card but not the unit itself which is the initial problem. The unit only has 40 something MB left. On my nearly identical 450, with nearly identical space problem, I was able to load the lower 49 NE on the unit and the balance went on the SD card as I have been doing for years and up until this update the 550 worked that way as well.

I have given up and am currently loading the entire map to the SD card. My only fear is by doing this and not having any of the 2018.30 on the unit itself is GE will eventually think I haven't updated in long enough time to cancel the ability to update period.

The two 2012 files only used 2kb of space, not really a problem.

Thanks to those who offered help.

I was able to get the Poi's working, deleted the entire poi folder on the 450 and copied the 550 poi folder to it, works as expected now.

I understand your concern, but I don't think it is warranted. Garmin software determines your versions of maps and software from the GarminDevice.XML file, which is created every time you plug your device into a computer. Your existing map version will be included in that file whether or not it is all on SD or partially in internal storage. Even if you avoid the normal install procedures and use cloning, GarminDevice.xml will contain the correct map version which will also be shown in your device menu under Map Info.

That is not to say that Garmin won't eventually abandon map updates on old devices, as our friend Werewolf has found with his 276C which can only be updated through Map Updater. But as long as your device is supported in Garmin Express, you should be OK whether your map is internal, on SD or some combination of both.

I hope you're correct. Prior to just going all on to the SD card I had the lower 49 NE from 2018.20 on the unit (internal) and was able to put the balance on the card using 2018.30.

Realistically it meant more of the 2018.30 was present, but when I would plug in GE it would say the 2018.30 update is available. So in some respect it appears GE isn't seeing the 2018.30 that's already there.

When you log into myGarmin.com & click on mymaps, you'll see the history of all map updates along with the unlock codes.

With that my friend your definitely in business regardless of what Garmin Express says

I'll keep that in mind.

GE will report an update unless you've used it to install the complete map.

With GE I wasn't given an opportunity to install to the card with the 550, so I used MapSource to install the entire set of NE maps to the card and had to uncheck the 2018.20 in the "maps" area that remains on the 550 itself.

Just like on your zumo 550, Garmin Express does not support map update to SD card on my nuvi 855. So I use cloning to install the full NA map as a single gmapsupp.img file. After the update, I can plug my 855 in and Garmin Express will show that the map is up to date. I suspect the same would happen with your zumo, but you would have to try it to know for sure.

I never attempted a cloning, read it mentioned here but since I never intended to utilize it, as all 5 of my units were working with GE until now, I didn't pay attention to the howto's or wherefores.

I've been using the Alandb cloning method for several years now on updating my three units & can confirm that this procedure works really well.

Take a look in how to go about it & if you have any questions ask & we'll be more than happy in helping you step by step towards success & a full map update

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/39231

I gave the node a once over, going to need a few more 'overs' before I comprehend it all. I book marked it and will try it when I have time and the weather says no riding for awhile.

thanks again all, for now both of my units have the most recent poi's & maps.