POI Editor Question (some of my GPX records do not load)

 

I built a POI file for an upcoming trip from California to Florida, and loaded it to my GPS (Nuvi 2460lmt). In verifying that all the points where there in the file, I discovered that only about half of the POI file actually got loaded to the GPS. No rhyme of reason to which ones got loaded. I attempted to load them three times, gave up converted the file to a CSV file then loaded the POI's, and all the points where there in the CSV file. That explains why I have built files before and when I used them, I could not find some of the POI's that I had built. Anyone seen this behavior before, and may know of a fix for it. I would rather have the GPX file loaded, as it has more information. Thanks in advance

Loaded files

At the end of running POI Loader with the gpx, then csv files, what message did POI Loader say regarding number of locations loaded; e.g, "Congratulations! You have successfully installed x,xxx custom POIs on your device. Note that some devices require a restart before displaying the newly sent custom POIs." Does the number with either/both/neither agree with the the number of locations you were expecting?

50 closest pOIs

The GPS will only display the 50 closest POIs. All the POIs are really in the GPS. If you want to see the others, do a "set location" to another area of the trip.

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That was my first thought

dobs108 wrote:

The GPS will only display the 50 closest POIs. All the POIs are really in the GPS. If you want to see the others, do a "set location" to another area of the trip.

dobs108 smile

I thought that too but reread that the OP said even a search for installed POIs failed. Wouldn't a search for any (rather than the list of 50 closest) of the further-than-50 locations work? I can search for Discount Tire locations in cities several hundred miles away and they are found. Also, the OP states that all locations can be found when loaded as a csv rather than a gpx so I think the OP knows how to search for distant locations (or the file has fewer than 50 locations). We need a response, newjade confused

@newjade

If possible, would you please SEPARATELY load the .gpx file as well as the .csv file again using POI Loader (and give them new unique names so you can be certain when looking at them)?

As Craig has indicated, when loading the files, make a note of the number of locations POI Loader loaded in each instance.

We will be very interested in what you find. It will help us unravel the mystery.

Followup

I have probably 80 or more POI files that I have built and install when I do a POI load. And as far as just the 50 closest, I understand that, but I have POI showing up in Arizona, and not some in Texas and Mississippi, which are a lot closer to where I am in Florida. If I get a chance I will move just the one GPX and one CSV file to a different location, then try to load just those two. But I can pretty well tell you that after seeing what I did with this load issue, and experiencing missing POI's on previous trips, I think there is either and issue with the POI loader, or the Extra POI Editor, that is causing the issue. I did go ahead and upgrade to the latest POI loader, and had the same results.

Missing pois

newjade wrote:

I have probably 80 or more POI files that I have built and install when I do a POI load. And as far as just the 50 closest, I understand that, but I have POI showing up in Arizona, and not some in Texas and Mississippi, which are a lot closer to where I am in Florida. If I get a chance I will move just the one GPX and one CSV file to a different location, then try to load just those two. But I can pretty well tell you that after seeing what I did with this load issue, and experiencing missing POI's on previous trips, I think there is either and issue with the POI loader, or the Extra POI Editor, that is causing the issue. I did go ahead and upgrade to the latest POI loader, and had the same results.

Why don't you open the gpx file in Google Earth just to make sure you have a good file. Once that is established then work from there. Just open Google Earth and then under file select open.Then add your gpx file and look and see what shows up. Also you can load the gpx file to Extra Poi Editor and under view select View all pois on map.Expand the map to get more detail.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor Navigator - Offline Maps & GPS.

Spell a POI to find it

It's absolutely true that the POIs are displayed in distance order rather than alphabetically. But to confirm the existence of an entry that you can't see, try spelling its name. Usually by the time you type the third letter of the name the entry should be displayed. Trust us, if some of the POIs made it into the file, they all did.

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

Followup 2

I did open the GPX file in Google Earth, and all the POI's showed up that I had put in. That being said, I did not expect anything different, since the GPX file was what I had converted to the CSV file that had all the POI's. Still at a loss as to why some points load and others do not. I have verified all the points in the file to make sure that all are valid and entered correctly, which they were, or else I would have had an issue with the converted file. I have had an issue with a previous version of Extra POI Editor, where the same thing was occuring, unless when you enter new points that you actually saved and replaced the original file. I just tried that with this latest version, and it seems to have corrected the issue. Apparently, the issue has returned with this latest version. I will know now that if I add to the POI file, to save and replace the original file instead of just saving. Thanks all for the help.

@newjade

Thanks for the follow-ups so far.

Some of us get antsy when someone says anything that implies that EPE has a problem. Not to say that EPE is faultless, but it has been used so frequently and relied on by so many that we always want to get to the bottom of problems anyone has.

Note that EPE tells you how many POIs are in the file that is open. Thus when you "save" a file you should expect that POI Loader - when it loads that file - will report exactly the same number. And, of course, scrolling to the bottom row of a .csv file will tell you how many entries are there.

Build

Just curious, what and how does the OP BUILD a route? Create a CSV file which in my opinion can be open to mistakes with Lat/Longs.

Maybe I do things much simpler when I BUILD a route. I just use MapSource, yes I still use it, select all the waypoints from start to finish and any waypoints in between and when done just transfer this to my GPS as a GPX file. Though I have to admit this works for my Nuvi 850, for my 2797 I use the saved GPX file and then I transfer the file using BaseCamp.

Doing it this way I can even identify a street address with house number and set it as a waypoint.

This of course does not involve using EPE editor either.

No problems that way I find.

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Nuvi 2797LMT, DriveSmart 50 LMT-HD, Using Windows 10. DashCam A108C with GPS.

Same Issue

I have had the same loss of data issue for a year or so. My problem is not specific to EPE or POI loader. I experience the problem occasionally when downloading from Basecamp or Mapsource as well.

The fixes I use are these:

I make sure the GPS unit is fully charged and don't use a USB hub.

I use windows to "safely remove" a drive before unplugging the USB cable. I found this helps but is not always effective.

I now download all my POI files to an external SD card and then install it in the GPS receiver. This works 100% of the time with ALL my GPS units using EPE, POI Loader, Basecamp and Mapsource.

I have no idea what is causing this problem but I believe it has something to do with the firmware. The issue first showed up last year after doing firmware updates on all my GPS units.

It could be a coincidence and yours may be a different problem but I thought I'd share my experience.

Downloading POIs to SD card

@bdhsfz6 ... It is great you found a process that works well for you. But as a general rule, it would not be a good idea to download .GPX custom POI files to a SD card that will be installed in your Garmin device. This would normally cause the custom POI's to get imported as Favorites (or Saved Places) even if you run POI Loader against the .GPX files to create the custom POIs. Note that this will not happen with .CSV files.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

True...

alandb wrote:

@bdhsfz6 ... It is great you found a process that works well for you. But as a general rule, it would not be a good idea to download .GPX custom POI files to a SD card that will be installed in your Garmin device. This would normally cause the custom POI's to get imported as Favorites (or Saved Places) even if you run POI Loader against the .GPX files to create the custom POIs. Note that this will not happen with .CSV files.

Thanks for the tip Alan. I'm used to working with my custom POI's from the "Saved" folder. I don't have that many and it sure beats having to deal with missing data every time I download.

I started using the SD card approach when I also began losing data from .gpx files downloaded to a GPS from Basecamp.

I posted this issue last year and got no response. I assumed I was the only one having this problem. It's nice to know I'm not alone. It's just a minor inconvenience to me but for someone with a large number of custom POI's, it could be a major pain. Hopefully, someone will come up with a real fix and not just a work around like I'm doing.

MIxed POI Files - GPX and CSV

alandb wrote:

@bdhsfz6 ... It is great you found a process that works well for you. But as a general rule, it would not be a good idea to download .GPX custom POI files to a SD card that will be installed in your Garmin device. This would normally cause the custom POI's to get imported as Favorites (or Saved Places) even if you run POI Loader against the .GPX files to create the custom POIs. Note that this will not happen with .CSV files.

I guess it depends on the model.

I've been loading multiple POI files in both formats to the SD card in my 2555LMT for a couple years with the POI loader and have not had this happen.

Pois on sd card

Loading custom poi files to the sd card in either csv, gpx or both is acceptable. The end result is one gpi file that poiloader converts the files to.Once you reboot the device you will get the option to load the file to your gps. Some users prefer to keep the poi files on the sd card.Not sure how some of the newer models handle it.You will get a nag message every time you turn on the device with option to load pois to the device unless you change the setting.My old 265 you have to say yes to get to the screen to change to no.

Note.When selecting to put pois on the sd card.Once you select the sd card on the poiloader screen as the destination .It will create the proper file structure on the to the card.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor Navigator - Offline Maps & GPS.