We are wanting to take a vacation in late Spring or early Fall in 2017. I have questions on how safe they are. I wanted to see if any of you have been to these and recommend them.
Our first choice is Greece with cruise to Turkey and the island of Crete
Our second choice is Cairo with Nile river cruise tour
I know they have been having problems but we thought if we take an escorted tour the guides will know where the safe places are to go.
Have any of you been to either Greece/Turkey or Cairo in the past year or so and did you feel safe? Any other information on either of these will also be appreciated.
We went with another couple 2 years ago. Cruised from Rome to Greece, Turkey and Alexandria, Egypt. Went everywhere with a guide. We had a wonderful time. My wife was nervous in Egypt but like you we trusted our guides. Times are changing but I would say go while you can.
10 nights on Cruise Ship Norwegian cruise line.
1 day in Olympia, Greece
1 day in Athens, Greece
1 day in Izmir, Turkey
2 days in Egypt
Solar boats museum
Pyramids of Chephren and Mycerinus
Statue of Rameses II
Site of 1st lighthouse
Palaces of Farouk
Ancient library of Alexandria
New library of Alexandria
Open air museum for sunken monuments
Unknown soldier of Alexandria
Statue of Alexander the Great
Send an email to fellow member Gary Hayman http://www.poi-factory.com/user/62966/contact & go on his website http://ghayman.net/ & scroll down to cruises.
He's traveled alot and I'm confident he can help/guide you.
(Updated to October 11, 2016)
"Global Affairs Canada advises against non-essential travel to Egypt due to the unpredictable security situation. This advisory does not apply to the Red Sea coastal resorts of Hurghada (and its surroundings) and Sharm el-Sheikh, nor to the area from Luxor to Aswan along the upper Nile, where you should exercise a high degree of caution."
(Updated to December 3, 2015)
"The Egyptian government maintains a heavy security presence at major tourist sites, especially the resort town of Sharm El-Sheikh and the many temples and archaeological sites located in and around Cairo, Luxor, Aswan and Abu Simbal."
"Restricted Areas" (for State Dept employees):
"The U.S. Embassy restricts its employees and their family members from traveling outside of Cairo without prior approval and advises all U.S. citizens to carefully consider the security implications of travel outside of the greater Cairo metropolitan area."
"U.S. Embassy personnel in Egypt are currently prohibited from traveling anywhere in the Sinai Peninsula (including Sharm El Sheikh, pending the outcome of the investigation into the October 31 (2015) crash of a Russian passenger jet) or in the western desert region."
Thanks this will help start my research. Makes me want to go soon. Thanks Mary
Thanks, will look at Gary's page. Thanks
We want to go so badly but don't know just how badly after reading this. I know there are risk and will have to way all options. Thanks
Turkey Travel Warning
LAST UPDATED: OCTOBER 29, 2016
The U.S. Department of State continues to warn U.S. citizens of increased threats from terrorist groups throughout Turkey. U.S. citizens should avoid travel to southeast Turkey and carefully consider the risks of travel to and throughout the country. The U.S. Department of State is updating this Travel Warning to reflect the October 29, 2016, decision to order the departure of family members of employees posted to the U.S. Consulate General in Istanbul, Turkey. The Department of State made this decision based on security information indicating extremist groups are continuing aggressive efforts to attack U.S. citizens in areas of Istanbul where they reside or frequent. The Consulate General remains open and fully staffed.
This order applies only to the U.S. Consulate General in Istanbul, not to other U.S. diplomatic posts in Turkey. The Department continues to monitor the effect of these developments on the overall security situation in the country. This replaces the Travel Warning dated October 24, 2016.
The Governor of Ankara, acting under the authority of the recently-extended state of emergency, and on the basis of reported terrorist threats against cities in Turkey, has banned all demonstrations in Ankara province until November 30. The Department continues to monitor the effects of the ongoing state of emergency; recent terrorist incidents in Ankara, Istanbul, Gaziantep, and throughout the Southeast; recurring threats; visible increases in police or military activities; and the potential for restrictions on movement as they relate to the safety and well-being of U.S. citizens in Turkey. Delays or denial of consular access to U.S. citizens detained or arrested by security forces, some of whom also possess Turkish citizenship, continue.
Foreign and U.S. tourists have been explicitly targeted by international and indigenous terrorist organizations in Turkey. In the past year, extremists have carried out attacks in France, Belgium, Germany, Mali, Bangladesh, Tunisia, and Turkey. Additional attacks in Turkey at major events, tourist sites, restaurants, commercial centers, places of worship, and transportation hubs, including aviation services, metros, buses, bridges, bus terminals and sea transport, could occur. Extremists have also threatened to kidnap and assassinate Westerners and U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens are reminded to review personal security plans, monitor local news for breaking events, and remain vigilant at all times.
U.S. Government personnel in Turkey remain subject to travel restrictions in the southeastern provinces of Hatay, Kilis, Gaziantep, Sanliurfa, Sirnak, Diyarbakir, Van, Siirt, Mus, Mardin, Batman, Bingol, Tunceli, Hakkari, Bitlis, and Elazig. In particular, the U.S. Mission to Turkey may prohibit movements by its personnel to these areas on short notice for security reasons, including threats and demonstrations. Due to recent acts of violence, such as the August 20 suicide bombing in Gaziantep, the September 12 bombing in Van, and the potential for reprisal attacks due to continued Turkish military activity in Syria, U.S. citizens are urged to defer travel to large, urban centers near the Turkish/Syrian border. Finally, the Government of Turkey has closed its border with Syria. Border crossings from Syria into Turkey are prohibited, even if the traveler entered Syria from Turkey. Individuals seeking emergency medical treatment or safety from immediate danger are assessed on a case by case basis.
I think there is a tour that starts at Athens and goes north in Greece and the cruise only visits a few islands and does not go to Turkey. It looks like that may be a better choice. Although I sure did want to go to Turkey as we would be so close.
It takes us on the cruis to Ephesus and Kusadasi Turkey.
This is on the south west area of Turkey I think. Maybe it would not hurt to go for a day trip off the boat there???
Additional attacks in Turkey at major events, tourist sites, restaurants, commercial centers, places of worship, and transportation hubs, including aviation services, metros, buses, bridges, bus terminals and sea transport, could occur. Extremists have also threatened to kidnap and assassinate Westerners and U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens are reminded to review personal security plans, monitor local news for breaking events, and remain vigilant at all times.
Just read this again. I better look at other tours.
You're a bit of a rebel, aren't you, Mary?
I'm now picturing you in Indiana Jones mode trying to site see in Turkey.
Last weekend we visited a friend that traveled to Turkey last fall, although she's an adventurous type, she didn't feel comfortable there and had no desire to return because of potential dangers.
It's a shame not to experience all the different cultures because all the unrest we faced with while traveling.
Our kids don't want us to go so I said to them
"just think of it this way, we are old and if something happens to us we did something we have always wanted to do and see before we died".
Needless to say that didn't go over very well with them.
Yes, I've noticed my friends losing their sense of humor as we've broached middle age. Everyone went from assuming they were immortal directly to fearful that everything, everywhere could harm us or our loved ones at any moment.
The Greece tour sounds seems like a happy medium. I'd hit it quickly though, before your kids relegate you to only being able to visit "Foamhenge"!
We booked a trip to Cairo a few years ago and that night the fires and riots were on the news right outside the hotel we booked. Needless to say we didn't go that time.
Cairo is looking to be the best bet after reading some of these post.
We won't tell our kids until we leave so they can't declare us incompetent and stop us.
Terrorist attack in Egypt:
It seems like everytime we start to even think about going to Cairo they have something like this.
It looks like we might try to plan something in the US. Or maybe something like Switzerland, Ireland or Scotland. Just not what we want but are still looking...
Thanks for all this information. If anyone has any suggestions at to great historical places let me know...
If you (Or anyone Else) decides to come to NYC, and visit the empire State building or even go to Macys Headquarter shopping, Give me a shout. I work in the area and would love to show you around and give pointers what to do.
Just trying to help out a fellow POI-Factory user!
Just within the past few days several cruise lines have canceled all calls at Turkish ports. Can't remember which ones in particular, but they are concerned about safety. I was in Istanbul a couple of years ago. Later that year a bomb exploded in the plaza outside the Blue Mosque in the exact same place we had been standing. Scary to think about.
I've traveled to places some thought risky (Israel eight times, Uzbekistan in 2005).
Neither the State Department warnings nor the news report based fears of your relatives seem to correlate much to actual risk.
One consideration is how you personally react to visible armed protectors. When I first went to Israel in 1979, Americans were not much used to seeing military-garbed people with automatic weapons in public places. Some of them were shocked, others reassured. If that sight would trouble you, Egypt, especially up-Nile might be a problem.
Another consideration is that bad guys systematically and repeatedly targetting tourists has so far been uncommon. In fact I only recall two recurring places. The Shining Path in Peru (which was troubling enough that my mother's lawyer claimed he would try to stop her if she tried to travel there during the peak of those troubles). And un-named people in Egypt. As it happens my mother did her Nile trip just a few months before a really severe incident at a Luxor in 1997.
This is mostly a question about how comfortable you feel, and possibly the feelings of people you care about. You are probably more likely to fall victim to disease or an auto accident than any sort of terror incident.
A lot to think about...
Just trying to help out a fellow POI-Factory user!
New York is one place we have visited. We loved it. My husband loved visiting the ship that is docked there. We did the boat ride around NY. We loved the Impire State building. We walked a lot of the area. We stayed at a hotel over looking Time Square. This was a great trip.
One consideration is how you personally react to visible armed protectors. When I first went to Israel in 1979, Americans were not much used to seeing military-garbed people with automatic weapons in public places. Some of them were shocked, others reassured.
I find that strange given the gun laws in America. Certainly here in the UK now we're getting adjusted simply to seeing more armed police around, and travelling generally in Europe there is now a far more visible presence of armed security forces. Sign of the times I'm afraid, but it shouldn't stop anyone travelling.
I find that strange given the gun laws in America.
We are used to seeing police with holstered pistols that are not very noticable. I have lived in Texas all 71 years and have never seen anyone walking around carrying an open weapon. That being said we did see guards with riffles in Europe. Never thought much of it so that wouldn't stop us from traveling. We went to London 3 weeks after the subway bombing and rode the subway. Didn't think much of doing that. We are telling ourselves it could happen anywhere in the world. Just don't want to go if the violence is happening all the time.
... I can reassure you its not happening all the time, just like I tell some Europeans people aren't being shot in the US all the time
Having lived in both places Europe is as safe as America, or as dangerous, depending on how you look at things.
The way I feel is I could be driving down the road and hit by a head on car before I could be bombed in Europe.
If we hide in the house we will never enjoy live. That is why I keep telling my kids, we want to go to Cairo or Greece and enjoy. Don't know if we will or not.
A few weeks ago we were definitely going but now not sure. My mother is not doing well so this is going to be what decides it for us as to when we go. If we go I like to get the tour and airfare at least 6 months early. Good seats and better prices the earlier we get them. Not knowing about my mother puts a kink in it. I take care of all her finances, medical, housing, etc... and I am the executor on her Will so not sure what we will do.
No matter what, someday I do hope to see all of the Countries on my Bucket List with my husband while we are both still able to enjoy all the walking..
.. That sounds like a good plan! Hope it all works out for you
Terrorist attack in Cairo:
I always have said that the world is a bitch and then you die.
After visiting 48 of the 50 states (we missed North Dakota and Hawaii but did Alaska twice) we traveled to the Bahamas 4 times, England 5 times, Scotland once, Ireland once, Portugal once, Spain once, Morrocco once, Gibralter once, Germany once, Switzerland twice, South Korea once, Thailand twice, Malaysia twice, Cambodia twice, Singapore once, Greece once, Turkey once, Latvia 3 times and I might have missed something but I have been around the world.
In none of these trips did I feel threatend except at Frankfort Germany airport when two armed guards with machine guns stopped in front of us and gave us a staredown and in Zurick Switzerland when we were getting ready to board our plane two armed guards with machine guns placed themselves in front of the loading door and would not even let the crew aboard.
I looked out the window and saw 3 dogs sniffing all the luggags that was being unloaded from the plane. All I could think was that if there was a threat that they find it before we board. One hour later we boarded and we arrived in the USA a bit later.
My opinion is that a person seeing the world is much smarter that a hermit. One afraid to travel and take the chances is to me a coward.
We traveled to Greece and found it GREAT. We did not take a guided tour but used Garmin GPS to direct us to our destinations. We rented a car to get us around.
We then went to Turkey and rented another car. We actually found the people very friendly. In one town we could not find the hotel so I stopped at a group of men and asked if they could help us. They were surprised that we were from the USA and asked why we were there. My reply was to see their country for I love history and wanted to see where some of it took place. I was then hugged by many of the men and then directed to follow a certain car. We stopped at a store and directed inside. The hotel was upstairs we found. The leader said some something and left and we checked in. In the middle of the night I had to visit the bathroom which was shared by all guests and to my bewilderment the desk clerk was sitting in the hallway with a gun in his lap. We were safe.
I would go back to Greece again but would not go to Turkey because of the political climate.
A view of our Greek Turkey visit can be seen at http://lacplesis.com/Vacations/Greece_Turkey_visit/index.htm... and if you use Google translate you can get the jest of it. Happy traveling.
Great adventures. After reading this i am so ready to traver.
Thank you so much. Fixing to look at your link.
Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it so.
I do so want to see all the history of the world.
Well it has been two years and a lot of hard times taking care of my mother. Now that I don't have to worry about that we are ready to go.
We are going to do a land tour of Greece and Cruise. We will get to stop at Turkey for a day excursion.
It will be later this year before we go and the day after we booked there was a news article of Greece and Turkey relations getting bad again.
We are not reading any more. We are going and we are going to have a great tour.
Now have to update Jill (or buy a new Jill if I can talk my husband into it).
Mary if you need a carsitter for the Chev while you are traveling let me know
I'm sure my son will be happy to do that. We might need to hide the key from his boys!
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