Speed Camera Firm Settles up in N.J.

 

Bidder for Chicago pact to pay $4M in refunds on dubious tickets

4.2 Million in partial refunds to be exact.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-10/news/ct-met-re...

The entire article is very condemning. How can 3 separate camera companies, American Traffic Solutions, Xerox State & Local Solutions Inc., and Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., be so irresponsible?

ATS for not having properly timed yellow lights, Xerox for erroneous speeding tickets, and Redflex, for a shady business deal which is now under investigation by the city inspector general's office.

timed versus certified

twix wrote:

Bidder for Chicago pact to pay $4M in refunds on dubious tickets

4.2 Million in partial refunds to be exact.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-10/news/ct-met-re...

The entire article is very condemning. How can 3 separate camera companies, American Traffic Solutions, Xerox State & Local Solutions Inc., and Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., be so irresponsible?

ATS for not having properly timed yellow lights, Xerox for erroneous speeding tickets, and Redflex, for a shady business deal which is now under investigation by the city inspector general's office.

I tried to find something in the article that would support the statement ATS for not having properly timed yellow lights.

What I saw in the article was:
In June, New Jersey transportation officials ordered the suspension of red-light camera programs in 21 municipalities after allegations that tickets were being issued despite failures to properly certify the timing of yellow lights. The programs in 16 of those towns were run by ATS.

I have not read anywhere that the yellow lights were not properly timed (as opposed to properly certified). Is there a link that I should look at?

ATS loses

So, on a ticket for $85 or more, the plaintiffs get a refund of 6 to 10 dollars. The attorneys get $800,000.
Pretty sweet.

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Sounds Like

Sounds like the people running the municipalities have their heads wedged!

I hate to say it but, in so many ways, our political leadership, at all levels, is demostrating that they've lost their way.

Fred

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jgermann wrote:
twix wrote:

Bidder for Chicago pact to pay $4M in refunds on dubious tickets

4.2 Million in partial refunds to be exact.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-01-10/news/ct-met-re...

The entire article is very condemning. How can 3 separate camera companies, American Traffic Solutions, Xerox State & Local Solutions Inc., and Redflex Traffic Systems Inc., be so irresponsible?

ATS for not having properly timed yellow lights, Xerox for erroneous speeding tickets, and Redflex, for a shady business deal which is now under investigation by the city inspector general's office.

I tried to find something in the article that would support the statement ATS for not having properly timed yellow lights.

What I saw in the article was:
In June, New Jersey transportation officials ordered the suspension of red-light camera programs in 21 municipalities after allegations that tickets were being issued despite failures to properly certify the timing of yellow lights. The programs in 16 of those towns were run by ATS.

I have not read anywhere that the yellow lights were not properly timed (as opposed to properly certified). Is there a link that I should look at?

This was 2 paragraphs down from what you quoted.

"The 11 lawsuits against ATS and various municipalities assert that many yellow lights were too short and that all tickets issued on uncertified equipment should be refunded. ATS argued that it had no role in the inspections or the timing of yellow lights, and that the allegations against the company were without merit."

assert?

twix wrote:

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This was 2 paragraphs down from what you quoted.

"The 11 lawsuits against ATS and various municipalities assert that many yellow lights were too short and that all tickets issued on uncertified equipment should be refunded. ATS argued that it had no role in the inspections or the timing of yellow lights, and that the allegations against the company were without merit."

I have not read of any of the lawsuits giving details of the camera intersections that were thought to be short.

The article says that short yellows were "asserted" by the lawsuits. The NJDOT suspended cameras as a result. Then, the gave the OK for the program to continue which it did. I have not found any information indicating that the yellow lights were too short. I assume that if there had have been such short lights, camera opponents would have jumped all over that.

indeed

jgermann wrote:
twix wrote:

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This was 2 paragraphs down from what you quoted.

"The 11 lawsuits against ATS and various municipalities assert that many yellow lights were too short and that all tickets issued on uncertified equipment should be refunded. ATS argued that it had no role in the inspections or the timing of yellow lights, and that the allegations against the company were without merit."

I have not read of any of the lawsuits giving details of the camera intersections that were thought to be short.

The article says that short yellows were "asserted" by the lawsuits. The NJDOT suspended cameras as a result. Then, the gave the OK for the program to continue which it did. I have not found any information indicating that the yellow lights were too short. I assume that if there had have been such short lights, camera opponents would have jumped all over that.

The report from NJDOT was the reason the program was suspended was the timing of the signals were not certified as required by law. That's a far cry from saying the program was suspended because the timing was shortened.

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Ban the cameras

The only real solution is to ban red light cameras statewide. Contact your state Assemblymen and Senators to ask them to vigorously and openly support Senator Doherty's bill S1952 (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2000/1952_I1.HTM ) which will ban the cameras. Ask the legislators to work hard to get this bill passed. Contact Governor Christie to ask him to support the bill and sign it when passed by the legislature.

Then contact your local officials to demand that the cameras NOT be used in your area, or be removed if already in use. Vote out any local officials who support the cameras at the next opportunity.

The money grab scam of red light camera cash registers CAN be ended if enough NJ residents get behind the drive to end it.

James C. Walker, National Motorists Association

Thank you!

class3 wrote:

The only real solution is to ban red light cameras statewide. Contact your state Assemblymen and Senators to ask them to vigorously and openly support Senator Doherty's bill S1952 (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2000/1952_I1.HTM ) which will ban the cameras. Ask the legislators to work hard to get this bill passed. Contact Governor Christie to ask him to support the bill and sign it when passed by the legislature.

Then contact your local officials to demand that the cameras NOT be used in your area, or be removed if already in use. Vote out any local officials who support the cameras at the next opportunity.

The money grab scam of red light camera cash registers CAN be ended if enough NJ residents get behind the drive to end it.

James C. Walker, National Motorists Association

I concur! There was a bill in Illinois that sadly didn't pass to ban cameras. With new speed cameras coming to Chicago, I'm wondering when people are going to be fed up enough to make an effective change.