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Meh

Speculation done by people that have little knowledge of anything beyond making & losing money on paper. Garmin will be fine.

Maybe before it's all said & done, Apple can buy Navteq on the cheep when Nokia tanks.

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*Keith* MacBook Pro *wifi iPad(2012) w/BadElf GPS & iPhone6 + Navigon*

More likely MS than Apple

kch50428 wrote:

Speculation done by people that have little knowledge of anything beyond making & losing money on paper. Garmin will be fine.

Maybe before it's all said & done, Apple can buy Navteq on the cheep when Nokia tanks.

As odd as this sounds, I'd actually think that it'd be more likely that MICROSOFT buys out Navteq rather than Apple:

a) Microsoft already has mapping apps for PC out (Microsoft Streets and Trips and Bing Maps) in direct competition with Google.

b) Microsoft still has a lot of licensing with Navteq in regards to their mapping products, so outright buying them out would be especially attractive to MS (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tele_Atlas).

c) Right now, Google is using its own provider--it formerly used TeleAtlas, the OTHER big player (now owned by TomTom).

d) The OTHER major potential competitor, Apple (which is rolling out its own direct competition to Google Maps for iDevices), will be using TeleAtlas data (with the occasional Apple tweak of data) for its mapping service.

e) Nokia and HTC are the major producer of Windows Phone products nowadays, and HTC is about to lose its contract when Windows 8 Phone comes out, making Nokia the default "flagship producer" of Windows Phone products.

That said...I'm actually a little surprised that Apple announcing this would cause Garmin's stock to drop; Garmin actually produces an iPhone app (as do most of the other standalone GPSr makers--Sygic, Navigon, NavNGo (iGO), TomTom just to name a few) and--unless Apple announces offline storage (similar to how Google Maps has done)--I'm not sure Apple is really going to be stealing Garmin's thunder in any significant fashion.

(To me, actually, this seems less like a strike at Garmin and more of, shall we say, Territorial Piddling Wars over which search-engine-run smartphone mapping app will be the Killer App. Less piddling war of Apple vs. Garmin, more of Apple vs. Google vs. Microsoft (iMaps or whatever they call it versus Google Maps versus Bing Maps).

(Of course, one could argue this is an indication that (to quote the Virginia Slims advert) smartphone GPSr apps have "come a long way, baby", but there ARE areas where the Big Three still fall short (particularly in regards to customisation such as POIs and offline storage--there is POI storage on Google Maps but it's cloud-based and tends to break with more than 500 datapoints, at least Google does seem to be taking the latter seriously though). IMHO there is always going to be a place for specialised smartphone apps with offline storage (everything from simple things like Chimani's National Park Service apps to full-blown "will do everything a proper GPSr will" apps like Sygic Aura and the TomTom apps to some more specialised GPS apps like backcountry hiking apps (like Gaia GPS or the various Trimble Outdoors apps or geocaching apps like c:geo)...if for no other reason than some apps do things better than others.

(For much the same reason, I'm not convinced GPSrs proper will die out--they might become more niche devices, but some folks genuinely DO prefer them (as evidenced on this board every time a "smartphone vs. GPSr" thread pops up! grin) and there ARE still some situations (OTR trucking in particular) where GPSr "trucker versions" may be a bit further along than equivalent smartphone apps. Some folks may just think GPSr apps on smartphones are akin to Swiss army knives (they do the job, but a purpose-built tool for the job might do better) and those will keep the GPSr makers in business--even at a reduced rate, but still there.)

Garmin should stick around--

not that I'm buying stock, mind you, but I think they'll be around.

They have a good business in the aviation market, with what I've got to assume are much better margins. They also have specialized products for other markets, such as bikes, trucking, and others.

They've also been through downturn cycles before. I think they'll be around for a few years yet.

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Apostrophe

I just like that the OP knew NOT to put an apostrophe in the word "its" in this instance. There may be hope for "grammar in my time" yet. smile

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you mean like

thrak wrote:

I just like that the OP knew NOT to put an apostrophe in the word "its" in this instance. There may be hope for "grammar in my time" yet. smile

It's what its is?

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Futurist Speculation

I put little faith in fortune tellers, particularly those predicting doom and gloom. If you make enough predictions, you're bound to be right every now and again. One day the world will actually come to an end and some whack-job will be able to say "See, I was RIGHT!". Then the lights will go out. rolleyes

If Garmin does find itself in a takeover ...

If Garmin does find itself in a hostile takeover the most likely and unwelcome suitor will probably be: a car company (ie think Onstar). Don't want to elaborate as it might put some ideas into the wrong heads ... sad

Hummmm

k6rtm wrote:

They have a good business in the aviation market

Let's hope and pray that their their aviation market is more reliable and has less bugs and issues than their automotive lineup mrgreen

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canuk wrote:
k6rtm wrote:

They have a good business in the aviation market

Let's hope and pray that their their aviation market is more reliable and has less bugs and issues than their automotive lineup mrgreen

I sure hope so too! mrgreen

Not the same in the long run

The iPhone has the start up costs $3-400 plus monthly charges to access the cloud.

The Garmin (depending on model) has a one time startup cost of $1-250+, then if you WANT to upgrade the maps later, there's that.

I'm cheap. I'll take plan "B"

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camerabob wrote:

The iPhone has the start up costs $3-400 plus monthly charges to access the cloud.

The Garmin (depending on model) has a one time startup cost of $1-250+, then if you WANT to upgrade the maps later, there's that.

I'm cheap. I'll take plan "B"

Lots of folks are going to have the iPhone, and spend the money for it for reasons other than the navigation abilities... that's cake. The nav abilities are another layer of icing. And those folks can keep the $$ they didn't spend on a stand alone Garmin and do something else with it.

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*Keith* MacBook Pro *wifi iPad(2012) w/BadElf GPS & iPhone6 + Navigon*

RIM

kch50428 wrote:
camerabob wrote:

The iPhone has the start up costs $3-400 plus monthly charges to access the cloud.

The Garmin (depending on model) has a one time startup cost of $1-250+, then if you WANT to upgrade the maps later, there's that.

I'm cheap. I'll take plan "B"

Lots of folks are going to have the iPhone, and spend the money for it for reasons other than the navigation abilities... that's cake. The nav abilities are another layer of icing. And those folks can keep the $$ they didn't spend on a stand alone Garmin and do something else with it.

There was a time when there was a question on who would win, RIM or Apple. The BlackBerry Storm was "hot." What a joke, huh? but it was very serious stuff back then. Not a joke at all.

Some seem to envision the Garmin nuvi as what the BlackBerry once was, indispensable, infallible, timeless.

Whether we want to get all sentimental and choked up, or call a cat a cat, Garmin has seen better days. I like my 2350 LMT, but the only thing that would cause me to replace it is to have the touchscreen fail. But this time around, I may not buy another. smile

That notion that not everyone has or needs a smartphone, look at what Verizon just announced yesterday with no more tiers as far as minutes, number of texts, etc. But I'll ask again--if your employer is not reimbursing you for your cell phone, I'd ask them why not.

Recent trip WITHOUT my Garmin...

Just got back from a trip in the wife's car, which is practically devoid of electronics -- no GPS, no radar detector, no ham radio, no ECM pod...

I replaced her cig lighter phone charger with a 2-socket USB one that would do both her phone and my iPhone or iPad at the same time.

Much of the trip I ran Waze on my iPhone -- I've found it's really good at spotting local traffic trends in near real-time.

EXCEPT...

We were on our way to Yosemite. Waze is one of those travel apps that assumes connectivity to load map tiles on demand.

As we got near the park, in the rugged country, guess what -- no connectivity, and that means no map tiles! Waze showed us moving nicely over a blank white surface!

That's one of the circumstances in which the dedicated device still wins -- by having all that map data available locally, and not relying on pulling it down through a connection which might not be there!

We had a nice trip -- I enjoyed being a passenger, even if I did occasionally miss the ECM pod!

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LOL ... I refuse to fly, period >>>

canuk wrote:
k6rtm wrote:

They have a good business in the aviation market

Let's hope and pray that their their aviation market is more reliable and has less bugs and issues than their automotive lineup mrgreen

the thought of an Airbus 3xx with a Garmin nav device installed is something along the lines of Snooki becoming President for me smile

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TMK wrote:

the thought of an Airbus 3xx with a Garmin nav device installed is something along the lines of Snooki becoming President for me smile

Oh please... Garmin's aviation products meet or exceed the FAAs requirements for certification for in-flight use as every other manufacturer for avionics.

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another drumroll...

kch50428 wrote:
TMK wrote:

the thought of an Airbus 3xx with a Garmin nav device installed is something along the lines of Snooki becoming President for me smile

Oh please... Garmin's aviation products meet or exceed the FAAs requirements for certification for in-flight use as every other manufacturer for avionics.

And there are some of us who think that Snooki just might offer an improvement over some of the candidates...

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:)

k6rtm wrote:

And there are some of us who think that Snooki just might offer an improvement over some of the candidates...

I thought about including something like that above... smile

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