RLC buyer beware!!! (contracts with camera vendors)

 
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RLC buyer beware!!!

Short yellow lights in Tucson, Watch out!

RLC

RLC, in my opinion, just causes confusion as I approach an intersection. They are not effective, especially ones penalizing you on right turns.

NJ RLC's

What controls are issues, spoke to some reps in my town and they really don't know or it may never happen. Most intersections here have about 10 second yellows and a lot of rolling red light right turns.

What confusion?

lazyhusband wrote:

RLC, in my opinion, just causes confusion as I approach an intersection. They are not effective, especially ones penalizing you on right turns.

Watch the red/yellow/green lights and act appropriately. No confusion. Inappropriate yellow light length? Now that's another issue ...

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Now you know Tucson and Pima County would never do that, lol

triliby wrote:

Short yellow lights in Tucson, Watch out!

After all, their city RLC/SC staff said it ain't so. Vote these money grubbing, vote buying scum out!!! Its not about safety here, its about getting more money to spend on BS to buy votes with. And don't forget we need a troley car too, don't worry about the deficit, be happy and PC !!!!

Would you check, please?

LMChu wrote:

Most intersections here have about 10 second yellows and a lot of rolling red light right turns.

While it may be so, I find it hard to believe that "most interections" in your area would have a "10 second yellows". Is there some way you could let us know several interestions with that yellow timing?

Me feeling is that a yellow that length would become dangerous, over time, because people would know it was a long one and think they still had time to beat it by accelerating through the intersection.

Check

jgermann wrote:
LMChu wrote:

Most intersections here have about 10 second yellows and a lot of rolling red light right turns.

While it may be so, I find it hard to believe that "most interections" in your area would have a "10 second yellows". Is there some way you could let us know several interestions with that yellow timing?

Me feeling is that a yellow that length would become dangerous, over time, because people would know it was a long one and think they still had time to beat it by accelerating through the intersection.

I'll start marking them down.

Georgia and South Carolina

It is illegal to go through a "yellow" light. You will not get a ticket from the camera but you will from an officer. I have gotten a few in both states. In every case I felt I could not safely stop because of traffic behind me.

I stop for yellow when I can and will not go through a red. I know all of the red light intersections in my area. I like having the database so that when I go outside of my normal driving area I can take extra precautions when approaching the intersection.

By not going through these cameras I do not have to contribute to the coffers of who ever put the camera in place.

Thanks!

wknight40 wrote:

It is illegal to go through a "yellow" light.

I did not know that was the case in those areas.

I guess there are many such area specific laws. Here in Illinois, one can get a ticket for operating your windshield wipers without having your headlights on. I don't personally know of anyone getting a ticket for this offense and I'm not sure where else this is the law.

Ron

Not illegal here

wknight40 wrote:

It is illegal to go through a "yellow" light. You will not get a ticket from the camera but you will from an officer.

My next door neighbor is a local police officer and he told me that you are legal as long as you get into the intersection before the light turns red. So, at least here, they won't be writing you a ticket for that.

Correct

The purpose of the yellow light is to warn of an impending red. Obviously it is impossible to stop if you are close to the stop line when the light turns yellow.

There are no jurisdictions in North America that say you can't cross the stop line on a yellow - though if you speed up to get through you might get a ticket for exceeding the limit. (I've been in some European cities that only have red and green lights and what they tend to do is light up the red with the green as their warning mechanism). Entering an intersection on a yellow light is not an infraction unless there is no way to get out of it.

You can't proceed across the stop line on a red except to turn right at intersections that allow rights on red - and even then you must treat the red light as you would a stop sign. Once in the intersection you must proceed through it.

It isn't complicated.

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As bizarre as it seems...

jgermann wrote:
LMChu wrote:

Most intersections here have about 10 second yellows and a lot of rolling red light right turns.

While it may be so, I find it hard to believe that "most interections" in your area would have a "10 second yellows". Is there some way you could let us know several interestions with that yellow timing?

Me feeling is that a yellow that length would become dangerous, over time, because people would know it was a long one and think they still had time to beat it by accelerating through the intersection.

The length of yellows have gotten way out of control in some areas. I have been through many of places where the yellows are 8 - 10 seconds long.

I agree 100% with you as to increasing the yellow makes it more dangerous, as people expect the lights to be long everywhere, including those with "short" yellows.

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Found this

I thought I had read somewhere that there was a recommended maximum yellow interval.

Looking around I found that it comes from the Manual On Uniform Traffic Devices (2009) and I found out about it from Wikipedia which states

"States are required to adopt the 2009 National Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) as their legal state standard for traffic control devices in 2011. These standards require engineering practices to be used to set yellow light timing durations at individual intersections and or corridors. For guidance to state authorities, MUTCD states yellow lights should have a minimum duration of 3 seconds and a maximum duration of 6 seconds. The deadline for compliance is 2014. In the US, if any part of a drivers vehicle has already passed into the intersection when the signal turns red, a violation is not generated. A ticket is only issued if the vehicle enters the intersection whilst the light is red."

I've never received a RLC or

I've never received a RLC or speed camera ticket, but members of my family have.

This is something that concerns me. All the talk about cameras to improve safety may often times simply be a need for increased ticketing revenue. They need to play by the rules and not shorten the yellow light duration below federal standards.

10 second yellow

jgermann wrote:

I thought I had read somewhere that there was a recommended maximum yellow interval.

Looking around I found that it comes from the Manual On Uniform Traffic Devices (2009) and I found out about it from Wikipedia which states

"States are required to adopt the 2009 National Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) as their legal state standard for traffic control devices in 2011. These standards require engineering practices to be used to set yellow light timing durations at individual intersections and or corridors. For guidance to state authorities, MUTCD states yellow lights should have a minimum duration of 3 seconds and a maximum duration of 6 seconds. The deadline for compliance is 2014. In the US, if any part of a drivers vehicle has already passed into the intersection when the signal turns red, a violation is not generated. A ticket is only issued if the vehicle enters the intersection whilst the light is red."

That 10 second intersection is now back to 5 or 6 and it seems to be the same all over town.

New York Also

RonJS wrote:

Here in Illinois, one can get a ticket for operating your windshield wipers without having your headlights on. I don't personally know of anyone getting a ticket for this offense and I'm not sure where else this is the law.

New York has had that law in effect for several years - if there is enough precipitation coming down that you need wipers, you need to have your lights on for added visibility. If I remember right, it's been the law in Florida for decades.

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bramfrank wrote:

You can't proceed across the stop line on a red except to turn right at intersections that allow rights on red -

It isn't complicated.

One can go through a red light (under certain conditions) in the nine or so states that have "Dead Red" laws.

"Dead Red" laws are laws that allow motorcyclists and bicyclists to legally "run" a red light if the traffic light does not detect the cyclist in some reasonable time. The intersection must be clear, of course....

Ron

Too short green arrow

In Moline IL yesterday, the left-hand light suddenly turned red as I passed through the cross walk. Three cars made it through behind me. A cop car was waiting in the oncoming lanes. He did not react.

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