garmin map updates

 

Have a 255W gps, am thinking about buying the new 2595lmt. If I do I wonder if I can load the maps from the new gps to my old 255W, anyone tried this?

Short answer no.Maps are

Short answer no.Maps are tied to the unit.

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You can try if you want but

You can try if you want but you will probably brick the unit. As Charles45 stated, the maps are tied to the unit so it will not work.

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I assume ...

stevebarley wrote:

Have a 255W gps, am thinking about buying the new 2595lmt. If I do I wonder if I can load the maps from the new gps to my old 255W, anyone tried this?

I assume you want to keep using the 255W. Were you asking this to save the cost of a onetime update for the 255W?

No bricks please

pwohlrab wrote:

You can try if you want but you will probably brick the unit. As Charles45 stated, the maps are tied to the unit so it will not work.

He won't brick it. The unit will simply throw up a "no detailed maps" error and revert to the basemap.

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Download maps to computer

Can we download maps to PC and then attempt to load it to a new GPS?

Map subscription

You can download to PC first, then later install to GPS as long as the GPS is the one the map subscription is tied to. You cannot install one map subscription to multiple GPS units. This forum and most other legitimate forums do not allow discussion of illegal copying.

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Junk

stevebarley wrote:

Have a 255W gps, am thinking about buying the new 2595lmt. If I do I wonder if I can load the maps from the new gps to my old 255W, anyone tried this?

Like everybody else says, no you cant but more importantly is don't waste your money on a the 2595LMT. I have had mine for two weeks now and I'm about ready to toss it out the window and go back to TomTom. As usual Garmin has put something on the market that is far from market ready and should have been tested for several more months. Everytime I turn it on I wonder what little surprise it is going have have for me. Yesterday midway along a 90 mile route I looked down at the unit as I was coming up to the exit I knew I was supose to take and realized it had stopped routing. Entered the address again and 10 minutes later it just stopped routing again, without being touched. Did a reset and all was fine.
On the way home the Ecoroute HD stopped working and still does not. I traded in my 4 month old 2360LMT because it had problems that Garmin could not solve from the first day, its kind of like going from the frying pan into the fire.
Shop carefully.

maps

Probably won't work. Garman encodes the serialnumber of the units into the downloads. If they don't match they go away. Good luck553

nuvi 2595

Thanks for your comments on the 2595lmt. I was seriously considering a new upgrade from the 1490t. Does any one else have experiences with the 2595lmt?

Hoping to still use the 255W

Hoping to still use the 255W in my car with the updated maps & use the 2595 in my van.
Surprised to hear a bad review on this, all I have read on the 2595 was good.

Garmin 2595lmt

Sadly I agree about the 2595, my new addition did not see closed bridges in Nebraska, froze at the worst time, could not look up QT gas stations without freezing and worst of all took me downtown in St Louis at 5 a.m Sunday morning into construction, the trip to Wyoming with a horse was supposed to be a great trip, scenery new Garmin etc, but ended as a nightmare, I also purchased a GTM 60 receiver for 3D HD traffic not sure that's working either........ Again Tom Tom may be the better bet, I miss my 2535M Go Live even with the $60.00 fee after one year for live services. There other posts on other GPS sites that are complaining about the new Garmin serie.
LOL.

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You will have to purchase an additional map update if you wish to update the maps on the 255W.

I believe some have tried to

I believe some have tried to defeat the system but since the maps are tied to the units it can't be done. It is the same on the maps for the cell phones.

It can be done, just not legally...

But it can be done.

People who have a need, or

People who have a need, or think they have the need, for current maps should either buy a unit with lifetime maps or purchase lifetime maps. A great deal.

I'm sure you can find sites with pirated/hacked maps. Sites which distribute pirated stuff generally also do a "good job" distributing viruses and spyware at the same time.

Anybody else have problems

I just bought the 2595lmt and haven't used it much, so havent had problems yet. Anybody else have problems with it?

Anybody else have problems

robert5733 wrote:

I just bought the 2595lmt and haven't used it much, so havent had problems yet. Anybody else have problems with it?

One thing you might try is go into "Where to" and search for fuel and it will come up with fuel stations and convenience stores. Most of the convenoence stores dont have fuel. If you search on convenience it will show most of the stores in the area and if you select one that you know does not sell fuel, hit the info button for that location and it will usualy show a fuel icon. Just down the sreet from is a gas station with a ATM a coffee shop next door and a grocery store next to that. Sometimes when I drive down the street it shows the ATM icon, sometimes the fuel icon, sometimes the coffee shop icon and sometimes nothing. Usually it shows the coffee shop icon 1/4 mile from were it really is. It never shows the grocery store unless I browse the map. The exit services is less accurate than a coin toss. While driving down the highway I will see a sign that says 24 hour food and fuel I hit the exit services button and it shows nothing for fuel, as I get closer I can see the actual gas station and looking at the map it shows the fuel icon. If I hit the icon it tells me its a Esso station. So why cant exit services find it?
Garmin also cant figure out why none of their "extras" are not compatible. Their red light camera subscription will not load. The language translater that come on the unit as a demo says incompatible unit when you buy the full version.
Best of all, they are now telling me my ecoroute HD unit may not work properly on it. Dont know why they didnt tell me that when I ordered the adapter.
There are several other things but this is already off topic.

2595

jefft186 wrote:
robert5733 wrote:

I just bought the 2595lmt and haven't used it much, so havent had problems yet. Anybody else have problems with it?

One thing you might try is go into "Where to" and search for fuel and it will come up with fuel stations and convenience stores. Most of the convenoence stores dont have fuel. If you search on convenience it will show most of the stores in the area and if you select one that you know does not sell fuel, hit the info button for that location and it will usualy show a fuel icon. Just down the sreet from is a gas station with a ATM a coffee shop next door and a grocery store next to that. Sometimes when I drive down the street it shows the ATM icon, sometimes the fuel icon, sometimes the coffee shop icon and sometimes nothing. Usually it shows the coffee shop icon 1/4 mile from were it really is. It never shows the grocery store unless I browse the map. The exit services is less accurate than a coin toss. While driving down the highway I will see a sign that says 24 hour food and fuel I hit the exit services button and it shows nothing for fuel, as I get closer I can see the actual gas station and looking at the map it shows the fuel icon. If I hit the icon it tells me its a Esso station. So why cant exit services find it?
Garmin also cant figure out why none of their "extras" are not compatible. Their red light camera subscription will not load. The language translater that come on the unit as a demo says incompatible unit when you buy the full version.
Best of all, they are now telling me my ecoroute HD unit may not work properly on it. Dont know why they didnt tell me that when I ordered the adapter.
There are several other things but this is already off topic.

Hi Jeff, I'd be curious to know more about your experience with the 2595 as I am considering it as my replacement to the c340 when I am no longer able to keep it running, the 2595 topic is here:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/34563

As for the Garmin maps, you'd have to buy a separate map, best to get Lifetime maps to put on a second unit. Plenty of space with the use of the sd/micro sd card.

The map should be out soon, as the 2012.30 are available for South America, Australia, etc... I'm guessing Europe will be next, then US.

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2595LMT problems

Hi Jeff, I'd be curious to know more about your experience with the 2595 as I am considering it as my replacement to the c340 when I am no longer able to keep it running, the 2595 topic is here:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/34563

As for the Garmin maps, you'd have to buy a separate map, best to get Lifetime maps to put on a second unit. Plenty of space with the use of the sd/micro sd card.

The map should be out soon, as the 2012.30 are available for South America, Australia, etc... I'm guessing Europe will be next, then US.

Thanks for the link, I will continue this over there

It was not me asking about the map updates, unless you were just getting that in there to keep this thread on track.

Trying to steer the conversation back on track...

jefft186 wrote:

Thanks for the link, I will continue this over there

It was not me asking about the map updates, unless you were just getting that in there to keep this thread on track.

I realize you weren't asking about the updates, just trying to keep on subject smile

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ianlin wrote:

It can be done, just not legally...

And not to be discussed here.

2595 problems

I posted yesterday about my problems with the new series Garmin but can't find the post, but this my second unit the first failed so badly on a trip to Wyoming on getting lost with road closures that the 2595 did not get any traffic updates then taking me downtown in St Louis at 5 a.m on a Sunday morning into construction, plus it froze about six times once doing a hard reset on its own.
I also bought which arrived after my trip was the GTM60 receiver so far not much luck with 3D HD traffic, the second unit is so far OK but have not been on any trips to test the device. It would appear that on other sites there have been quite a few posts on disappointment with the 2595 and the GTM60 - Do wait to see what happens as more hits the streets etc, anyway LOL

20 years and 11 months old

I was going to give my under aged son a beer tonight, but it would be illegal so I won't talk about it here.

Maps

theagle2 wrote:

Probably won't work. Garman encodes the serialnumber of the units into the downloads. If they don't match they go away. Good luck553

Garmin marketing department thinks they get more revenue by selling each update for the same price. I think most people with two or three registered units may only update the newer unit on a regular basis. It costs too much for updating additional units. If Garmin offers a discount on additional units registered under the same account it could increase their revenue base. As long as the marginal revenue from the additional map sale is more than the marginal cost of getting that map then they will be home sailing with positive revenue growth. Failing to do that they are leaving money on the table by sticking to their old sales strategy.

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I agree

jamstyle wrote:

Garmin marketing department thinks they get more revenue by selling each update for the same price. I think most people with two or three registered units may only update the newer unit on a regular basis. It costs too much for updating additional units. If Garmin offers a discount on additional units registered under the same account it could increase their revenue base. As long as the marginal revenue from the additional map sale is more than the marginal cost of getting that map then they will be home sailing with positive revenue growth. Failing to do that they are leaving money on the table by sticking to their old sales strategy.

While I don't yet have multiple units, I might.

It could be like other software packages. Norton had no problem limiting me to three computers for security software, so Garmin might do something like that.

there is a difference

jgermann wrote:
jamstyle wrote:

Garmin marketing department thinks they get more revenue by selling each update for the same price. I think most people with two or three registered units may only update the newer unit on a regular basis. It costs too much for updating additional units. If Garmin offers a discount on additional units registered under the same account it could increase their revenue base. As long as the marginal revenue from the additional map sale is more than the marginal cost of getting that map then they will be home sailing with positive revenue growth. Failing to do that they are leaving money on the table by sticking to their old sales strategy.

While I don't yet have multiple units, I might.

It could be like other software packages. Norton had no problem limiting me to three computers for security software, so Garmin might do something like that.

Snorton owns their software as they are the developer. Garmin pays for maps from Navteq and has to pay a fee for each copy installed.

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thanks

thanks

Does it matter?

Box Car wrote:
jgermann wrote:
jamstyle wrote:

Garmin marketing department thinks they get more revenue by selling each update for the same price. I think most people with two or three registered units may only update the newer unit on a regular basis. It costs too much for updating additional units. If Garmin offers a discount on additional units registered under the same account it could increase their revenue base. As long as the marginal revenue from the additional map sale is more than the marginal cost of getting that map then they will be home sailing with positive revenue growth. Failing to do that they are leaving money on the table by sticking to their old sales strategy.

While I don't yet have multiple units, I might.

It could be like other software packages. Norton had no problem limiting me to three computers for security software, so Garmin might do something like that.

Snorton owns their software as they are the developer. Garmin pays for maps from Navteq and has to pay a fee for each copy installed.

It does not matter who owns the software. If a change is strategy generates more revenue and profit for all then that the ultimate. While i understand Garmin cannot initiate the change they surely can advocate if the economic evaluation will be positive. It would be a win win for both business and consumers of the device.

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It does matter

jamstyle wrote:

It does not matter who owns the software. If a change is strategy generates more revenue and profit for all then that the ultimate. While i understand Garmin cannot initiate the change they surely can advocate if the economic evaluation will be positive. It would be a win win for both business and consumers of the device.

It does matter. If you have a fixed royalty cost for every copy downloaded you can't make it available for less than that cost. You soon would go broke.

If you develop the software and own all rights, the only costs that must be covered are development and marketing. anything above that keeps the lights on.

Even with Garmin having a fixed cost for the maps, they still have to sell it for enough to pay their software and marketing people for their efforts. If you want free maps, then there's the Open Streets project.

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it would be nice

it would be nice

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You are missing the point

Box Car wrote:
jamstyle wrote:

It does not matter who owns the software. If a change is strategy generates more revenue and profit for all then that the ultimate. While i understand Garmin cannot initiate the change they surely can advocate if the economic evaluation will be positive. It would be a win win for both business and consumers of the device.

It does matter. If you have a fixed royalty cost for every copy downloaded you can't make it available for less than that cost. You soon would go broke.

If you develop the software and own all rights, the only costs that must be covered are development and marketing. anything above that keeps the lights on.

Even with Garmin having a fixed cost for the maps, they still have to sell it for enough to pay their software and marketing people for their efforts. If you want free maps, then there's the Open Streets project.

It does not matter. You are missing the point. The accounting get a bit complex but as I said before if the marginal revenue is more than the marginal cost its a win win for all. They are not savvy in their pricing strategy. They just don't like anything challenging so like you said they stick to simplicity and what they are familiar with. It only applies for buyers with two or more registered units.

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But it would seem that Garmin DOES get it. Most of their units are sold with the Lifetime Maps included now. And the price of the unit with the maps is not significantly more that the price without (at least on Amazon). So it would seem that more people will "automatically" have the map updates with the units they buy now and in the future.

Garmin does not own the map data

Navteq licenses map data and updates to Garmin who is bound by the terms of their contract with Navteq.

If you think about how much it must cost to employ enough people to keep up this data for all of North America, it's no wonder the prices are what they are. Garmin must have included a fixed lifetime cost for their new devices, but there was no cost figured into the price of older units. Garmin recently offered a promotion on the Harley branded Zumo 66x series to offer free lifetime updates.

But don't expect Navteq to give the store away because you think you deserve it. Business doesn't survive that way.

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No, you miss the point.

jamstyle wrote:
Box Car wrote:
jamstyle wrote:

It does not matter who owns the software. If a change is strategy generates more revenue and profit for all then that the ultimate. While i understand Garmin cannot initiate the change they surely can advocate if the economic evaluation will be positive. It would be a win win for both business and consumers of the device.

It does matter. If you have a fixed royalty cost for every copy downloaded you can't make it available for less than that cost. You soon would go broke.

If you develop the software and own all rights, the only costs that must be covered are development and marketing. anything above that keeps the lights on.

Even with Garmin having a fixed cost for the maps, they still have to sell it for enough to pay their software and marketing people for their efforts. If you want free maps, then there's the Open Streets project.

It does not matter. You are missing the point. The accounting get a bit complex but as I said before if the marginal revenue is more than the marginal cost its a win win for all. They are not savvy in their pricing strategy. They just don't like anything challenging so like you said they stick to simplicity and what they are familiar with. It only applies for buyers with two or more registered units.

As an example, you pay your supplier $20 for each copy of an item in your inventory. Now, I want you to sell me that item for $2.00 and then let me install it on as many units as I want. Oh, you cannot receive payment for all the copies I gave my friends, co-workers and the neighborhood idiot that posted it on the web for all. And you expect me to stay in business so you can have unlimited copies?

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smart business strategy.

Motorcycle Mama wrote:

But it would seem that Garmin DOES get it. Most of their units are sold with the Lifetime Maps included now. And the price of the unit with the maps is not significantly more that the price without (at least on Amazon). So it would seem that more people will "automatically" have the map updates with the units they buy now and in the future.

This is also a smart business strategy on the part of Garmin, because it removes value from older used or refurb units since the lifetime map subscription is non-transferrable. It makes it less attractive to buy a used or refurb and then have to add the cost of the lifetime maps. You might as well buy a new one with the subscription. It adds a whole new dimension to "planned obsolescense".

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Maps

Box Car wrote:
jamstyle wrote:
Box Car wrote:
jamstyle wrote:

It does not matter who owns the software. If a change is strategy generates more revenue and profit for all then that the ultimate. While i understand Garmin cannot initiate the change they surely can advocate if the economic evaluation will be positive. It would be a win win for both business and consumers of the device.

It does matter. If you have a fixed royalty cost for every copy downloaded you can't make it available for less than that cost. You soon would go broke.

If you develop the software and own all rights, the only costs that must be covered are development and marketing. anything above that keeps the lights on.

Even with Garmin having a fixed cost for the maps, they still have to sell it for enough to pay their software and marketing people for their efforts. If you want free maps, then there's the Open Streets project.

It does not matter. You are missing the point. The accounting get a bit complex but as I said before if the marginal revenue is more than the marginal cost its a win win for all. They are not savvy in their pricing strategy. They just don't like anything challenging so like you said they stick to simplicity and what they are familiar with. It only applies for buyers with two or more registered units.

As an example, you pay your supplier $20 for each copy of an item in your inventory. Now, I want you to sell me that item for $2.00 and then let me install it on as many units as I want. Oh, you cannot receive payment for all the copies I gave my friends, co-workers and the neighborhood idiot that posted it on the web for all. And you expect me to stay in business so you can have unlimited copies?

You are still missing the concept of marginal revenue and marginal cost. You are not understanding my argument. There is an optimization price line you cant go below because there will be reduced profit and further result in negative profit. Your example does not apply. An economic analysis depending on cost would show $2.00 sale price for an additional unit map upgrade is not feasible.You cannot ignore that in this analogy. Some one mentioned that the extra cost for lifetime map is very small from the original price. The reason is the cost for updating the map is very minimal. That cost spread over the amount of units sold will getting smaller.
The royalty contract is obvious. Contracts are renewed periodically. They still can have revenue growth by changing the strategy for the map upgrade price for the additional Garmin unit registered by the owner.

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Another view is that the map

Another view is that the map updates are not humongous from year to year. I have a Nuvi 350 which has not had a map update after purchase. I have to say that it still works fine, never has sent me to never-never land, & gets me there. I think the updates a over-rated except in areas of rapid development, which are less & less likely in our current economy.

If I were to buy a more recent model, I'd have to look at the features & price to determine whether I really need LMT models.

Fred

Depends on where you travel to.

FZbar wrote:

Another view is that the map updates are not humongous from year to year. I have a Nuvi 350 which has not had a map update after purchase. I have to say that it still works fine, never has sent me to never-never land, & gets me there. I think the updates a over-rated except in areas of rapid development, which are less & less likely in our current economy.

If I were to buy a more recent model, I'd have to look at the features & price to determine whether I really need LMT models.

Fred

Currently I have the latest maps installed on my c340, but just for fun I will revert back to the 2008 map that came pre-installed. It is interesting to see how much has changed throughout the country and Canada.

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Map updates

FZbar wrote:

Another view is that the map updates are not humongous from year to year. I have a Nuvi 350 which has not had a map update after purchase. I have to say that it still works fine, never has sent me to never-never land, & gets me there. I think the updates a over-rated except in areas of rapid development, which are less & less likely in our current economy.

If I were to buy a more recent model, I'd have to look at the features & price to determine whether I really need LMT models.

Fred

I used to purchase new maps every year from Magellan, this got very expensive, I finally purchased a Garmin 2350LMT and very happy with it. We need updated maps due to 2-4 times a year the family travels from Illinois to Florida.

Lots of changes since 2008

My son and I both bought nuvi 755T's in late 2008 (2009 maps) and we both still use them. I bought a Lifetime map subscription, he didn't. So I can tell you there is a huge difference. It is not only streets and roads, but speed limits, POI's, lane assists.

From one update to the next, it doesn't seem like much changes. But the cumulative effect over several updates is very obvious.

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