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How do you use the RLC data?

 

OK, so you have knowledge that a particular intersection has a RLC, what do you do about it? Do you change your route to avoid that intersection or do you change your driving habits only when you pass thru that intersection? I'm at a loss as to what value the RLC data is and why everyone else feels it's beneficial to have this data in your GPS. Please enlighten me.

I have no idea if I've ever passed thru a RLC intersection but I know I've never gotten a ticket from one either. I can't see the value in knowing where the RLCs are.

I also never understood why anyone would waste money buying a radar detector.

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Garmin SP7200, Delorme PN-20

Reasons for RLC

strollin wrote:

OK, so you have knowledge that a particular intersection has a RLC, what do you do about it? Do you change your route to avoid that intersection or do you change your driving habits only when you pass thru that intersection? I'm at a loss as to what value the RLC data is and why everyone else feels it's beneficial to have this data in your GPS. Please enlighten me.

1. Makes you particularly aware, i.e. no rolling stops for right hand turn, etc.
2. Prepares you for cars ahead that may stop suddenly when they become aware of RLC.

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Garmin StreetPilot c530, Mapsource

Same way

I felt the same way but my husband wanted it. I put it on my GPS and you would be surprised at all the cameras in our area. We haven't changed any habits. We still stop at all the red lights but it is neat to have them on there. Don't know why but it just is!!! grin

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

Yes I change my driving habits to avoid their road tax.

Normally, I'll stop before a right on red at a place where I can see the cross traffic before proceeding. With an RLC, I have to stop twice, once for the blamin' RLC at the white line, then again where I can see cross traffic.

Radar detectors are useful when I'm riding on an empty Interstate in the middle of Iowa, Montana, Oklahoma, etc., no traffic and 65mph is down right boring. I can safely ride at 80mph, except for the trooper that wants to give me a speed tax bill. There is no logic behind some of these laws; they're black and white. Life shouldn't need to be.

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Zumo 550 & Zumo 665 My alarm clock is sunshine on chrome.

Unexpected

I have it so I can be prepared for people in front of me to slam on the brakes. People, me included, here are more than a little paranoid about the cameras. I don't trust them period.
I also refuse to patronize businesses in municipalities that have them. If your city has an RLC, I'm going to keep rolling down the road.

Safe side

Its particularly useful for you if you are traveling through a new area. It warns you against the possible violation ticket. Human nature is always cunning. when you are exploring the new roads, you may forget to stop at the stop sign. may cross the white line at intersection. As a counteract to these all emotions its better to have these data on your device. Its useful for me especially when i take the exit from freeway and still in euphoria of driving at 60 on the city streets !!!!!! cool

Exactly!

"dave817

Yes I Change My Driving Habits To Avoid Their Road Tax.
Normally, I'll stop before a right on red at a place where I can see the cross traffic before proceeding. With an RLC, I have to stop twice, once for the blamin' RLC at the white line, then again where I can see cross traffic."

My first experience with a RLC was exactly that. I went beyond the white line and stopped where I could see. I saw a flash, and it kind of scared me thinking that I caused it. When I made my turn, the flash went off again. Not only did it scare me, it made me super paranoid that I was going to get a ticket in the mail.

I know the RLC intersections are clearly marked, but I didn't notice any of the signs. I was driving in an unfamiliar area, it was dark, and I was concentrating on directions. Getting a "heads-up" helps in navigation, so you know what to expect.

Should I or Shouldn't I!!!

Knowing that the camera is there helps answer the question "should I or shouldn't I" when that decision has to be made.

Don't Run the Lights

If you don't run the lights, it's not a problem. However, I drive a shuttle for a dealership and it's nice just to know I should be extra careful, before I try to make a right turn on the red.

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NUVI2555LMT, NUVI350

Old country lady

So, after reading all of your post, you have to stop behind the white line and if you go in front of the white line and stop, then turn right on red that is incorrect?

If you stop after the white line going straight and then take off after it turns green is that incorect, and you get a ticket???

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

RLC

There is a red light camera in Davis California with a small sign reading "no turn on red" at the far side of the intersection. Everytime I've been at this intersection, I've seen the flash go off ticketing those who come to a complete stop and turn right at the red light.

My point is, the RLC warning from the GPS is nice to remind one of the need to spend a little extra time being sure you aren't violating any rules at these money making lights.

Fred

it's all recorded at the red

it's all recorded at the red light cameras, so you don't have to bypass them, just know you have to stop and they do help out alot! It reminds you that you if you can't make the light then you should stop.. otherwise you'll probably be getting a ticket in the mail.

it depends

mgarledge wrote:

So, after reading all of your post, you have to stop behind the white line and if you go in front of the white line and stop, then turn right on red that is incorrect?

If you stop after the white line going straight and then take off after it turns green is that incorect, and you get a ticket???

It depends on how those that review the pictures feel that day. Normally, if you are across the limit line, you are in violation, but then it's a judgment call.

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RLC data

strollin wrote:

OK, so you have knowledge that a particular intersection has a RLC, what do you do about it? Do you change your route to avoid that intersection or do you change your driving habits only when you pass thru that intersection? I'm at a loss as to what value the RLC data is and why everyone else feels it's beneficial to have this data in your GPS. Please enlighten me.

I have no idea if I've ever passed thru a RLC intersection but I know I've never gotten a ticket from one either. I can't see the value in knowing where the RLCs are.

I also never understood why anyone would waste money buying a radar detector.

If you can't see the value of Red Light Camera location data, don't download it. If you never speed then you don't need a radar detector so don't spend you money on one and don't download the speed camera data either.

You obviously don't see the value of information so I won't try to explain it to you. But I would like to know why you feel the need to put down those of us who do. Does it make you feel superior to us?

Overly aggressive RLCs are a problem

I recently moved to a location with these RLCs. I have noticed that people will slam on their brakes instead of continuing into a yellow light. The yellow light was designed to allow a car moving 45mph to continue safely through the light. However, now out of fear people will go from 45 to 0 in 5 feet for fear of these cameras. I personally like to know where they are to know when some fool is going to jam the brakes and stop when they could (and should have gone through the light).

As for radar detectors, I wouldn't use one if the cops would follow the law and not shoot me with a radar without reasonable cause.

RLC data

jackj180 wrote:
strollin wrote:

OK, so you have knowledge that a particular intersection has a RLC, what do you do about it? Do you change your route to avoid that intersection or do you change your driving habits only when you pass thru that intersection? I'm at a loss as to what value the RLC data is and why everyone else feels it's beneficial to have this data in your GPS. Please enlighten me.

I have no idea if I've ever passed thru a RLC intersection but I know I've never gotten a ticket from one either. I can't see the value in knowing where the RLCs are.

I also never understood why anyone would waste money buying a radar detector.

If you can't see the value of Red Light Camera location data, don't download it. If you never speed then you don't need a radar detector so don't spend you money on one and don't download the speed camera data either.

You obviously don't see the value of information so I won't try to explain it to you. But I would like to know why you feel the need to put down those of us who do. Does it make you feel superior to us?

Wow, where did this come from? How did I put down anyone? I think someone's got some guilt issues they need to deal with.

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Garmin SP7200, Delorme PN-20

Could have been phrased better then

strollin wrote:

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Wow, where did this come from? How did I put down anyone? I think someone's got some guilt issues they need to deal with.

I thought the o.p. was somewhat condescending.

Or were you truly looking for justification for loading the file yourself?

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It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.

A put down?

strollin wrote:
jackj180 wrote:
strollin wrote:

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Please enlighten me.

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I can't see the value in knowing where the RLCs are.

I also never understood why anyone would waste money buying a radar detector.

If you can't see the value of Red Light Camera location data, don't download it. If you never speed then you don't need a radar detector so don't spend you money on one and don't download the speed camera data either.
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Wow, where did this come from? How did I put down anyone? I think someone's got some guilt issues they need to deal with.

Go back and read your original post. It sure sounds to me like you are looking down your nose at those of us who like to know these things.

I asked a question which you didn't answer and as for quilt issues, you brought that up.

Traffic Signal Rules, Regs and Laws

Generally all traffic signal rules, regulations and laws are the same through out Canada and the USA. I'm a retired 20 years veteran Police Corporal. I will explain the general laws governing the signs, signals and pavement markings. First: lets start off with the definition of "Stop". Stop means STOP. Stop means to cease ALL MOVEMENT for a moment. That does not mean creep along, roll through, slow down. It means STOP. Lets put it in laymans terms. If I were to pull you out of your car and began to beat you on your head with my big metal flashlight, would you want me to STOP, or just slow down. The big white thick lines you come to at a stop sign or a traffic signal are called STOP LINES. They are put there for vehicle to stop behind them. They are a TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE. Technicaly, if you roll in front of them, even if you stop, you can get a citation (Ticket) for "Running a STOP LINE". Now does that an officer will give you one, depends on his DESCRETION. Personally, not me. It's a frivilous charge. Lets talk a little about speed and speed cameras. I can't explain the speed cameras to much, but I can explain speed and RADAR units. I am personally, and have been a certified Moving, Stationary and Laser RADAR operator for 2o years. The radar systems are calibrated at least once in a year, depending on the Law Enforcement departments and state calibration standards. Some Police Departments require the radar units to be calibrated every six months. These radar units are 99.9% accurate. You CAN NOT ARGUE their accuarcy. I don't care what any attorney says. Now, speed caeras DO give about a 5 to 10 mile per hour leeway. Depending on the jurisdiction its in. The cameras in Washington DC will allow for 5 miles per hour over the speed limit. While were on the subject of speed LIMIT, lets talk about that. a speed limit is just that, a LIMIT, that means, don't go over it. EVERYBODY, including ME, speeds everyday. If you say that you don't you are a LIAR. I will stand in your face and say so. Here is my explanation. If you are traceling on a road with a POSTED speed LIMIT of 30 MPH, and you do 31 MPH, YOU ARE SPEEDING. Personally, when I'm driving in my community or any community full of kids, I will drive 5 MPH under the speeed limit just for their safety. When I'm on a highway or feeder route, I will drive 5 to 10 MPH over the speed limit. I DO NOT drive over 10 MPH at any speed, just to much traffic out their. Ask my wife she calls me an old man when I drive. With all that said. EVERYONE that drives on any road, or drives any vehicle is doing something WRONG. If it is just a mear registration (License Plate) light out on their vehicle, they can be stopped and ticketed.

In the Illinois "Rules of

In the Illinois "Rules of the Road" book, it says...

"WHITE STOP LINE: A white stop line is painted across a lane at an intersection. The line is usually 4 ft. before the crosswalk in an urban area. It shows where you must stop for a STOP sign or red light. You must stop your vehicle before any part of it crosses the line."

I used to stop so my tires were just behind the white line. When I read that I have to stop before any part of my car crosses the line, I started doing that. I noticed that my car was no longer activating traffic sensors. It's also annoying that stopping at the line, you can't see traffic. At many intersections, I stop twice.

Excellent, and Thank You!

swc1000 - Thanks for your viewpoint, excellent explanation of your understanding, and for your years of service!

I'd like to hear your understanding of what a yellow light means, in particular the timed one between the timed red & green ones. And what you consider a prudent driver response to one that has just turned on. smile

Almost forgot.. your opinion on what I was told in MD MVA driver ed MANY years ago about when making a left on green, to drive cautiously across the stop line about 1/3 of the way into the intersection, staying in your turn lane space and keeping the front wheels straight ahead, and wait for clear (even if it means the light goes just red but you're sure opposing traffic has stopped), and proceed to turn.

I'll add that while I still do this, in recent years with the amazing increase in traffic & decrease in driving etiquette, I stop and stay at the line when I have reason to believe that I wouldn't be able to clear the intersection after my turn (block the box, etc). Your thoughts, swc1000?

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It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.

Not much Opinion

Lets start eith this. I can't explain away everyone's driving habits, I can only explain the law as it is written in the Maryland Motor Vehicle Law book. Of course, a Judge, a lawyer and any citizen can interpret the law diffrently. You can get a citation for blocking an intersection after a traffic signal turns red and your in the middle of it, however, not many officers will do that. I don't offer opinions when it comes to the law, just facts. I also don't get into debates about the law, or how anyone else interprets the law.

I feel the need for speed!

I feel the need for speed!

Thanks

Thanks swc1000,
I'm not looking for debates either, really. The explanation of your understanding was exactly what I was looking for. I think I correctly understand that you are saying what the MVA (it was DMV back then so that should give you a clue how long ago!) 'instructor' said to do is (at least currently) technically illegal.

I'm not positive that after all these years I'll stop and wait for clear at ALL 'stop lines'... but maybe so especially in smaller, less busy intersections.

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It's about the Line- If a line can be drawn between the powers granted and the rights retained, it would seem to be the same thing, whether the latter be secured by declaring that they shall not be abridged, or that the former shall not be extended.

Nope,

I don't avoid those intersections. I'm just more aware that there is a camera there, and I watch out for people stopping suddenly when they realize that the camera is there.

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Not doing anything worth a darn.

Red Light Camera

I use the data to make sure I am paying attention, making a full stop ect.

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