AZ Cams-Redflex
Mon, 12/08/2008 - 2:49pm
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I was reading an interesting article at http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2582.asp saying Redflex that runs the AZ State cams is an Australian company.
Seems like the employees are able to exempt themselves from their own tickets too. What a scam!
It seems like the State could at least have some American company running things, if not an AZ company, instead of sending a lot of the people's money overseas.
I love traveling through Arizona, but will think twice about taking a vacation there with the possible "added expenses".
Also check out http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/az-speed-scameras-backlash/
Its up to us all
Its up to us all to stop the out sourcing of work. Try and buy stuff made in the US and Canada where possable. Were only hurting are selfs in the long run.
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re: Its Up To Us All
Its up to us all to stop the out sourcing of work. Try and buy stuff made in the US and Canada where possable. Were only hurting are selfs in the long run.
It amazes me that government at the state level wouldn't try to buy the systems from the US or Canada. They may have a good reason besides saving a few bucks, but I sure don't know what it is.
American And Proud of it
Its up to us all to stop the out sourcing of work. Try and buy stuff made in the US and Canada where possable. Were only hurting are selfs in the long run.
It amazes me that government at the state level wouldn't try to buy the systems from the US or Canada. They may have a good reason besides saving a few bucks, but I sure don't know what it is.
Why would The USA even buy from Canada or Mexico, because we have a common land boarder? It's a foreign country that take a passport to enter.
Keep the jobs at home period.
Make products so expensive to import that American citizens can't afford to by them. This includes The Big three Cars. This is a big problem.
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More illegal activity by Redflex
Two more instances of criminal activity by our friends at Redflex!
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/18450
RT
"Internet: As Yogi Berra would say, "Don't believe 90% of what you read, and verify the other half."
Nothing new
stopped reading once I saw "thenewspaper.com" The website is about as biased as the websites dedicated to legalize drugs. Simple repeat over and over it is about the money. Even if it is, so what. The side effect of the money is...
Yes, a comprehensive statistical analysis was recently conducted by the Arizona State University for the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT) and the Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) following the first ever United States Freeway program. The program results were dramatic.
* The program reduced average speeds -9.5 mph.
* Side Swipe crashes -58%
* Single vehicle crashes -71%
* Total injuries -40%
* Total financial savings estimated to be $10MM per year in that 8 mile stretch alone due to reduced property damage, medical expenses, insurance costs, etc.
Well worth it.
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stopped reading once I saw "thenewspaper.com" The website is about as biased as the websites dedicated to legalize drugs. Simple repeat over and over it is about the money. Even if it is, so what. The side effect of the money is...
Yes, a comprehensive statistical analysis was recently conducted by the Arizona State University for the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT) and the Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) following the first ever United States Freeway program. The program results were dramatic.
* The program reduced average speeds -9.5 mph.
* Side Swipe crashes -58%
* Single vehicle crashes -71%
* Total injuries -40%
* Total financial savings estimated to be $10MM per year in that 8 mile stretch alone due to reduced property damage, medical expenses, insurance costs, etc.
Well worth it.
Well thats "absolute" hogwash! and Camera proponent propaganda. It's about the money, or they would hire a police officer to do the job and bring you in front of a judge instead of a administrative clerk or someone of that type in the city.
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re: Nothing New
Yes, a comprehensive statistical analysis was recently conducted by the Arizona State University for the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT) and the Arizona Department of Public Safety (DPS) following the first ever United States Freeway program. The program results were dramatic.
* The program reduced average speeds -9.5 mph.
* Side Swipe crashes -58%
* Single vehicle crashes -71%
* Total injuries -40%
* Total financial savings estimated to be $10MM per year in that 8 mile stretch alone due to reduced property damage, medical expenses, insurance costs, etc.
Well worth it.
You aren't going to like this because it's from thenewspaper.com. They list quite a few studies that show that cams actually cause accidents, and list them with full pdf's. Governments can twist anything to show what they want. Let's actually see the statistical data from that study, that seems to be just a small study of an 8 mile area of roadway. For all we know the next 8 miles of roadway with cams shows something totally different.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp
I gotta agree with BobDee on this one.
AZ admitted it's about the money
It's about the money ....
'Absolute-ly'. AZ has a huge deficit. In order to help 'fix' this, their budget includes millions of dollars from enforcement cameras.
They didn't place mobile speed-camera vans every 20 miles on I10 west of Phoenix on Thanksgiving holidays for safety reasons ... they're in the process of balancing the budget!
RT
"Internet: As Yogi Berra would say, "Don't believe 90% of what you read, and verify the other half."
Redflex
Two more instances of criminal activity by our friends at Redflex!
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/18450
RT
Good post.
Redflex seems to want to rake in the money from the people, but as far as their employees go, they seem to be above the law.
Make them earn their money
From an article in this post:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/18998
From the article:
What happens if notice is ignored
DPS
DPS has 60 days from the original violation date to file a complaint in justice court. Once filed, the agency has 120 days to hand-deliver an Arizona Traffic Ticket and Complaint to the driver. The complaint is dismissed if DPS doesn't meet the deadline.
Cities
City violation notices are no different from DPS. If a mailed violation is ignored, it's the city's burden to file a complaint with justice court and properly serve the defendant in person, which is typically done through a process server.
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Buy U. S.
I would like to buy some things made locally, but sometimes it just isn't so easy, My wristwatch was made overseas ( I wouldn't swear to it but I think Hamilton went out of business years ago) as well as all my TV sets (What happened to Zenith?) Just for fun I checked the local dollar store to see if I could find anything not made in China. All I found was a package of envelopes and some paper goods. I really hated sending a small fortune overseas for my cars, but I truthfully couldn't find an American built luxury vehicle that I enjoyed driving. And, for the icing, practically every big brand name large item is crammed full of foreign made components. If you think the compressor in your Frigidaire or the engine block in your Detroit iron is American made, you are in for a shock. I will buy American when I can, and I hope to be able to do so.
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The only problem is if you get found guilty, the state of AZ charges you $25 for having someone serve you with the complaint.
I think it is well worth taking the risk though for the extra $25. You're right that they should earn their money.
re: Buy U.S.
You're right, alexandrrg...It is often difficult to find US made products. As far as consumer electronic products like TV's your chances are just about nil.
However I would think there would be some US companies that handle the cams.
"American Traffic Solutions Inc."
However I would think there would be some US companies that handle the cams.
It appears the company that filed suit against Redflex, "American Traffic Solutions Inc." (http://www.atsol.com/), is owned and operated in the "Good ole USA".
It shows they are located in Scottsdale, AZ. If this is true, the state of Arizona is doing it to us twice; once with collecting the monies without following the law, twice with sending part of it out-of-state and out-of-the-country.
RT
"Internet: As Yogi Berra would say, "Don't believe 90% of what you read, and verify the other half."
AZ Bailout
It's about the money ....
'Absolute-ly'. AZ has a huge deficit. In order to help 'fix' this, their budget includes millions of dollars from enforcement cameras.
They didn't place mobile speed-camera vans every 20 miles on I10 west of Phoenix on Thanksgiving holidays for safety reasons ... they're in the process of balancing the budget!
RT
I agree...If AZ can't get a bailout from the US taxpayers, they'll get it from the AZ residents and tourists in the form of "enforcement" dollars.
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If you missed ....
If you missed the Fox-10-Phoenix newscast about speed camera this evening, the video is available at:
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?con...
RT
"Internet: As Yogi Berra would say, "Don't believe 90% of what you read, and verify the other half."
re: American Traffic Solutions
It appears the company that filed suit against Redflex, "American Traffic Solutions Inc." (http://www.atsol.com/), is owned and operated in the "Good ole USA".
It shows they are located in Scottsdale, AZ. If this is true, the state of Arizona is doing it to us twice; once with collecting the monies without following the law, twice with sending part of it out-of-state and out-of-the-country.
RT
Thanks for the info.
That sounds terrible that there is a company in the Phoenix area that can do what the state wants and they're using a foreign company.
Side note
From an article in this post:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/18998
From the article:
Cities
City violation notices are no different from DPS. If a mailed violation is ignored, it's the city's burden to file a complaint with justice court and properly serve the defendant in person, which is typically done through a process server.
One problem with this info. City police departments do not cite traffic offenders into the justice courts. They go to city courts and cases are heard by city court judges. County sheriffs and DPS ticket their violations into county justice courts. The exception is if an officer observes a violation outside his city court's jurisdiction (Phoenix officer in Glendale) then he has to either call an officer from that particular city court's jurisdiction to issue the citation or the stop officer may cite the violator into the proper county justice court for that area.This obviously is not very common. Just an interesting side note.
It's all about the money
'Absolute-ly'. AZ has a huge deficit. In order to help 'fix' this, their budget includes millions of dollars from enforcement cameras.
They didn't place mobile speed-camera vans every 20 miles on I10 west of Phoenix on Thanksgiving holidays for safety reasons ... they're in the process of balancing the budget!
Not to mention decreasing the speed limit to 55 from 65 on most freeways around the valley. It's ridiculous! This kind of thing should be illegal.
Yes, it is.
Not to mention decreasing the speed limit to 55 from 65 on most freeways around the valley. It's ridiculous! This kind of thing should be illegal.
Good news phigan, they're now going to raise the speed limit on a portion of I-10.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/12/...
And yes, at $181.50 a pop, it is definitely all about the money.
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