RLT Increase Insurance?

Just plead not guilty on the ticket. You get to court and it obviously isn't you in the photo, what are they going to do? Claim you were wearing a costume?

According to the TV news, the insurance company is NOT notified for these tickets and you don't get "points" on your record.

I'm not saying to do this; just repeating the news-cast:

There was a bit on a local Phoenix TV Station where the 'Redlight/Speed Camera book author')/lawyer (Susan Kayler) stated in AZ they are required to serve you personally within a 120 days. If they don't, the ticket must be dropped. http://www.photoradarlaw.com/ (If one doesn't report to court, they have no way of knowing if you received the ticket through the mail; if you do show up ......)

Another local station reported that at this point, there is no way to force collection from out-of-state drivers.

RT

In Arizona it only counts as points against you if you are caught at over 85mph or you just ignore the ticket then they notify your insurance and also the credit bureau's for non-payment.

If your residence is AZ and you want this question answered, you may want to send an email to Fox 10 in Phoenix. Linda Williams is going to report on photo enforcement on December 8th during the 9:00 p.m. broadcast. http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/myfox/ You just may get an answer you can depend on.

The report is over 40,000 'notice of violations' issued in two months. With the cut-back in government agencies because of the huge deficit in AZ, there is no way they can physically server every one. The best they could do is a spot-serve. Unless the mailman gets involved, they can't prove you got your 'notice'.

RT

They don't have to prove it was you. The owner of the vehicle is responsible for the safe operation of it. If it is not you driving you are then responsible to provide the information of who was driving and the ticket would be reissued to them. If you do not provide the information good luck in court, you will lose. If you want to play the "hope you don't get served" game good luck with that. If you do get served you will be paying for the ticket and the cost to serve you.

Also make sure your drivers license is up to date. With the AZ licenses not expiring for 40 years many people forget to get a new license when they move. The ticket will be sent to the address on your license. When they serve you they can give it to anyone who answers the door. If it is your old house but someone answers, you have been served.

She (Susan Kayler), and the Superior Court, says otherwise. You may want to read the FAQ at:
http://www.photoradarlaw.com/faq-home.htm

For some reason, I think I'll believe her. Could it be because she's the expert in that area??

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She is no expert. She is simply an attorney with an agenda. I will believe the results of her methods first. Which are anyone attempting to use them to get out of paying for a ticket will lose. What I stated is exactly correct. That is the process. You can choose not to give up the drivers information(which I stated) and you will go to court and lose. Yes, you can try to play the "hope I don't get served" game, but more likely than not you will lose that too and then have to pay even more. I will believe the many many lawyers who created this program before some random attorney.

Really? If you read the FAQ on that link, you conveniently forgot to mention the Supreme Court's Ruling concurred with her statement. If not, check it out.

I'll still believe an attorney that makes her living defending these 'notifications', and the Supreme Court, before I believe someone's opinion that is posted on a forum.

Even the DPS spokesman stated "I know you're supposed to be physically served".

I haven't had any kind of moving violation ticket, or even a parking ticket, in over 25 years; and I hope I never get one. But this doesn't make "breaking the law to enforce a law" right.

RT

She is an attorney, not an expert in the field. Just because she repeats (was not her doing) something the Supreme Court said does not make her an expert. Her methods will not get you out of a ticket. She states nothing about getting the cameras removed, because she is no expert has no experience in the program itself. She simply states that the tickets have to be enforced correctly. If that makes you an expert than there are about 300 experts on these boards. She has no argument for getting them removed. Her argument for getting out of the ticket is very shaky and as proven by the many many people not getting out of paying, flawed and worthless. They rely on you dodging being served for 3 months. This has been the same advice since the cameras were first installed. Not only is she not an expert she doesn't even have an original idea for getting out of the ticket. At least the morons who make plate covers and such come up with a new scam when people realize their current one doesn't work.

If you live alone and just never go home for 3 months her "expert" advice may work. You will not win a case if your argument is "I wasn't served properly". No judge is going to believe you when he has evidence in front of him showing you breaking the law. Dislike the process all you want. It is not going away and will only get even harder to avoid.

This is a discussion that will never be agreed upon. You believe what you want. Unless you can show me that your credentials are superior to her's and unless you can show me facts to support your claims, I'll consider her the expect in this discussion. Until then, I'll believe her, especially when her claims are supported by the Supreme Court.

RT