was in a crowded situation yesterday and observed

 

Basically, my wife and I attended an event yesterday, and I am not sure if there is an official attendance number, but I thought I heard 800,000.

The line to get in, that we used, took about 4 hours.

In that 4 hour procession, we witnessed dozens of people cut the line, it was very interesting. What was at stake was multiples of an hour wait.

Where there were cops and fencing, there was less of it. But in the end, approaching the metal detectors, people openly cut when they saw the police were not acting (one lady was screaming at the cop to do something), and some moved the fencing as well (it's metal and interlocked, nothing more).

It at times made me think of what would happen when there is not a deterrent to not following rules, like the job of red light cams.

Most that were confronted simply ignored someone else's objection, and snaked their way through the line.

I just laughed to myself that there were probably 6 groups of people around us when we reached the destination, who actually started 4 hours ago with us, so they must be honest or something. smile

Maybe the line-cutters needed to be there most

Was this for the Papal Mass in Philadelphia? Isn't cutting in line to see the Pope, well, rather not in the spirit of things? We're all sinners, I get it, not judging here, just, well, wow.

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Yes

That was the event. smile

We probably were at a disadvantage because we had a stroller. Again, I witnessed different reactions, one woman gave my son crackers from Trader Joe's, which he liked. Another person had a more compact and nimble umbrella stroller and changed lanes in front of us, and was gone (can't make this stuff up!).

It's just odd how people took advantage of intersecting cross-streets when they could, and simply entered the line, saving 2+ hours of time--this was prevented where the fencing was continuous.

On another note, the transit in and out was very, very, organized, hats off to SEPTA, they did an amazing job!

I think if there was a 4

I think if there was a 4 hour traffic jam like that, people would run the red light.

Come to Tucsn, AZ

You can ride the buses for free! Our bus Drivers are told not to confront people who do not pay. Good thing taxes pay the fares, wages and upkeep or the unwashed would have to walk.

Disconnected thinking

People were there to see the Pope and some cut in line. What were they thinking? There is a disconnect between the reason they were there and their actions in cutting the line. Do not worry - such people will not benefit after seeing the Pope.

dobs108 smile

Well

This part of your post hold most true for me:

Maybe The Line-Cutters Needed To Be There Most

Provided I'd been there. That is way too many people for my liking.

Unfortunately, that did not place where I wanted. Still learning.

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the law of the jungle

Isn't pope Francis an advocate of those who cut in line and enter the country illegally ahead of the law abiding who wait in their home country visa and passport in hand to immigrate legally?

I'm one of those who waited in my country of birth for my immigrant visa and now you know how we feel.

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As a guy who once worked for me would say....

...."Some people's kids." confused

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Where Ever .....

..... And when ever people can be horrible, they will be horrible. sad

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Some kids parents.

maddog67 wrote:

...."Some people's kids." confused

list

came across a list of winners and losers in this event

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/09/28/pope-francis-winner...

Obviously for the most part, people were great, but this is a density of people that is extreme. That's why it was surprising how smoothly the transit authority handled things.

Here's a random pic I found
http://www.wpxi.com/ap/ap/pennsylvania/the-latest-thousands-...

Church

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

A normal day in the world we

A normal day in the world we live in.

Nice to know

Nice to know there were some other honest folks that proceeded along the line with you.

And, yes, there are always folks who feel they are entitled to cut in front of folks. Always amazes me ... but to be honest with you, I just expect the rude, self centered folks in any congregation of folks.

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one time

grtlake wrote:

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

At the Post Office, a lady swung her door into mine really hard. I was agitated and got out and told her that she just dented my door and should be more careful.

She went off on me, crazy, using all kinds of ghetto curse words etc. I glanced over and saw rosary beads hanging from her rearview....

Antsy McClain song

johnnatash4 wrote:
grtlake wrote:

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

At the Post Office, a lady swung her door into mine really hard. I was agitated and got out and told her that she just dented my door and should be more careful.

She went off on me, crazy, using all kinds of ghetto curse words etc. I glanced over and saw rosary beads hanging from her rearview....

Have you heard Antsy McClain and the Trailer Park Troubadour's "I Was Just Flipped Off..."? A song (not obscene) that fits this discussion well (2 minute 18 second video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JaZNkjPiHM

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there was a time standing in line was manners norm

flaco wrote:

Isn't pope Francis an advocate of those who cut in line and enter the country illegally ahead of the law abiding who wait in their home country visa and passport in hand to immigrate legally?

I'm one of those who waited in my country of birth for my immigrant visa and now you know how we feel.

Excellent point, I too became a Citizen many years ago when you had wait your turn, prove English skills and Civic knowledge.

I was

windwalker wrote:
flaco wrote:

Isn't pope Francis an advocate of those who cut in line and enter the country illegally ahead of the law abiding who wait in their home country visa and passport in hand to immigrate legally?

I'm one of those who waited in my country of birth for my immigrant visa and now you know how we feel.

Excellent point, I too became a Citizen many years ago when you had wait your turn, prove English skills and Civic knowledge.

I was born in the USA, but consider myself no more American than you. My wife was naturalized. It's real BS nowadays, for people to say I am more American than someone else, it's done in many ways, birth, service, etc. The only difference is that maybe I can be the President or Vice President (then again isn't the Speaker of the House more powerful than the VP?), and you can't, and that's simply the Constitution, nobody is more or less worthy...just my .02

Not the same country

windwalker wrote:

Excellent point, I too became a Citizen many years ago when you had wait your turn, prove English skills and Civic knowledge.

And even if you entered legally with papers you had to every year by January 31th go to the post office and fill a form letting the federal government know your current address with threat of deportation if they didn't get the form.

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Scum

johnnatash4 wrote:
grtlake wrote:

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

At the Post Office, a lady swung her door into mine really hard. I was agitated and got out and told her that she just dented my door and should be more careful.

She went off on me, crazy, using all kinds of ghetto curse words etc. I glanced over and saw rosary beads hanging from her rearview....

I ask them if they kiss their mother with that nasty mouth.

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my

phranc wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:
grtlake wrote:

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

At the Post Office, a lady swung her door into mine really hard. I was agitated and got out and told her that she just dented my door and should be more careful.

She went off on me, crazy, using all kinds of ghetto curse words etc. I glanced over and saw rosary beads hanging from her rearview....

I ask them if they kiss their mother with that nasty mouth.

It was bizarre because that's a pet peeve of mine, honestly, even with rental cars, I park them with a curb to one side to avoid dings. There are times when it's not possible, sure. I noticed my wife does this too, we had a brand new Cadillac XTS rental car with 940 miles on it, and my wife curbed it when she used it.

Anyway, at the time, I told my coworker about it, and being someone who grew up on the streets, I could not believe what he said (as far as how he would have responded), and can't repeat it, but he had an equally strong reaction that was so quick and to the point...

the

phranc wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:
grtlake wrote:

At my (catholic) church, people cut ans swerve in front of you when they are leaving the church parking lot.

parish where our in-laws live in in northern NJ is more orderly, with many fancy cars and it's a parish that meets their annual goal in August... smile

But ours is somewhere in-between

people

imagine a major catastrophe where food and water shortages where the norm , religious or not riots and mob rule would be bad ! at Christmas time in a Walmart line people act like animals what would people be like in a catastrophe like a major earthquake its discouraging to see the way people act at times ! there are still some good people around but is seems like less and less care any more !

Greedy politicians

I always think what if that idiot has a gun before starting a conflict. And thanks to our greedy ignorant politicians, there are plenty of mentally unstable people that have them. It's why I stay out of the big cities. There have been over 2,300 people shot in Chicago this year. I'll stay in my small suburban town and keep my head down.

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To Cut Through the Line - er - posts, If I May

How was the event? I would like to see something like that, but usually am not able to.

I hope it was an awesome time and worth the wait!

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Agreed

At least you were lucky enough to see it. Don't fret over people cutting in line, be happy you were actually there.

yes

It was an awesome event, unreal on how crowded, but worth the wait. We were very surprised that Communion was offered, given the size of the crowd. Due to our poor position inside the Parkway, we were one of the very first.... smile

It's the Experience

nrbovee wrote:

At least you were lucky enough to see it. Don't fret over people cutting in line, be happy you were actually there.

I do not enjoy crowds, so generally avoid large events. You can't really see or hear what you came to see and hear; you get jostled by strangers; get nervous about getting separated; and it is usually hot and muggy.

But that is why people go to these things - to be part of the EVENT! Whether it is the Pope or the Rolling Stones, tens or hundreds of thousands share in the experience.

There are rude people everywhere, but the actual number of jerks at these types of events is extremely small. It's all part of the experience.

geography?

Interesting thread. I wonder how it would have been in another part of the country. Bad manners and rude behaviour can happen anywhere but there seems to be parts of the country where it's more prevalent.

100%

DanielT wrote:
nrbovee wrote:

At least you were lucky enough to see it. Don't fret over people cutting in line, be happy you were actually there.

I do not enjoy crowds, so generally avoid large events. You can't really see or hear what you came to see and hear; you get jostled by strangers; get nervous about getting separated; and it is usually hot and muggy.

But that is why people go to these things - to be part of the EVENT! Whether it is the Pope or the Rolling Stones, tens or hundreds of thousands share in the experience.

There are rude people everywhere, but the actual number of jerks at these types of events is extremely small. It's all part of the experience.

I think that everything you've said is dead on!

I went to the Grateful Dead at Soldier Field on July 5 this year; I was dreading everything leading up to it....I even had a business trip to Chicago through Wed. so my airfare was paid by my employer, as was the hotel and rental car through midweek, and the show was on Sunday. But looking back, for my wife and then 20 mo. old son to attend the show was incredible.

You mentioned the Stones, we have a video of our son dancing in a tie dye in the parking lot, to guys jamming "Sympathy for the Devil" on acoustic, he will laugh someday when he sees it! Then he walks up to a guy and starts playing his tom tom, with the guy encouraging him! And another still pic of a dude giving him a free Steal Your Face that he was selling to others for $5.

imho they were not even that good (no Jerry, no Brent), and were far better in spring 1990. My last show was in 1992, 3 yrs. before Jerry passed away. So again, this was a trek just to be there...

It's important to remember what you said, the rude and the jerks are a small %, just that they could be observed getting away with what they couldn't under normal situations due to the density...