garmin latest 2013.10 map missing an entire highway?

 

I just don't get it, Maryland Route 200 is not even contained on the map. It partially completed back in Feb. 2011, and totally completed in Nov. 2011. What reason would Garmin give, if we asked why it doesn't even appear on their latest map? That's why I question the so-called LMT.....

Map Errors

johnnatash4 wrote:

I just don't get it, Maryland Route 200 is not even contained on the map. It partially completed back in Feb. 2011, and totally completed in Nov. 2011. What reason would Garmin give, if we asked why it doesn't even appear on their latest map? That's why I question the so-called LMT.....

The Garmin site has a feature that you can tell them of Map errors.

I've done it about 4 times. They tell me that they will 'pass it on' to whomever they buy their maps from.

My error reports have not made it into their maps yet (as of 2012.50)

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Don't question Garmin

Go directly to the Navtec site:

http://www.navteq.com/

If the road is not there, then click on "Map Reporter" at the top of the screen.

If it is there, then report the problem at the Garmin site.

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David King wrote:

My error reports have not made it into their maps yet (as of 2012.50)

2012.5? I must have missed that memo... razz

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Erk!

Juggernaut wrote:
David King wrote:

My error reports have not made it into their maps yet (as of 2012.50)

2012.5? I must have missed that memo... razz

2012.40. Sorry. My brain is broke. sad

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but what's funny

The entire highway was partially done 14 mos. prior to the map update. And one of the reasons for this Rt. 200 is to save motorists time, otherwise why would anyone pay $4 to go 16 miles? Just think it's ironic that Garmin and their map supplier would rely on users to tell them about 3 bil. highway projects and have to suggest that they add them a year after they went online....LOL

LOL

David King wrote:

The Garmin site has a feature that you can tell them of Map errors.

I've done it about 4 times. They tell me that they will 'pass it on' to whomever they buy their maps from.

My error reports have not made it into their maps yet (as of 2012.50)

That's why I wonder about the LMT.....imho it must have to do with the fact that they're really not getting anything for LMT, it just came as a result of competition from free apps from google and the android OS. I actually think the Garmin product works faster than an android, but the google maps has never been out-of-date when I've used it. Also, XM traffic has always been spot-on, with Garmin's system consistently wrong.

So....Garmin seems to be good technology, with wrong maps and traffic data.

Not Garmin or Navteq's fault

johnnatash4 wrote:

The entire highway was partially done 14 mos. prior to the map update. And one of the reasons for this Rt. 200 is to save motorists time, otherwise why would anyone pay $4 to go 16 miles? Just think it's ironic that Garmin and their map supplier would rely on users to tell them about 3 bil. highway projects and have to suggest that they add them a year after they went online....LOL

Actually, Navteq relies on State and Local governments to suppy the info on new roads, as they add them.

It would be "Cost Prohibitive" to pay for satellite images every couple of months and then to pay a bunch of people to compare past and present images.

Besides, they don't paint the name of the road on the road in large enough letters for the satellite to show it. Still have to get the name from the local bureaucrats.

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County Roads

metricman wrote:

Actually, Navteq relies on State and Local governments to suppy the info on new roads, as they add them.

I guess this is the reason why most of our county roads have no speed limit on the Garmin.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Google Maps

I have informed them of map changes in my area. In 3 of the 4 occasions, they have made the changes promptly, within a few weeks. The last one required about 6 months. They had Wal-Mart Pharmacy & Wal-Mart store a few blocks away from each other, even though the address was identical. Go figure.

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Who them?

spokybob wrote:

I have informed them of map changes in my area. In 3 of the 4 occasions, they have made the changes promptly, within a few weeks. The last one required about 6 months. They had Wal-Mart Pharmacy & Wal-Mart store a few blocks away from each other, even though the address was identical. Go figure.

Who them?

Garmin or Navteq?

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

Google

Spokybob is talking about reporting errors to Google. He is right. They correct their maps very quickly compared to companies like Navteq. This is because Google doesn't rely on state and federal authorities for mapping information. They put a fleet of cars out on the road instead.

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I agree

metricman wrote:

Go directly to the Navtec site:

http://www.navteq.com/

If the road is not there, then click on "Map Reporter" at the top of the screen.

If it is there, then report the problem at the Garmin site.

I have done this and they are pretty responsive. It takes a while though so be patient.

advantage

metricman wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

The entire highway was partially done 14 mos. prior to the map update. And one of the reasons for this Rt. 200 is to save motorists time, otherwise why would anyone pay $4 to go 16 miles? Just think it's ironic that Garmin and their map supplier would rely on users to tell them about 3 bil. highway projects and have to suggest that they add them a year after they went online....LOL

Actually, Navteq relies on State and Local governments to suppy the info on new roads, as they add them.

It would be "Cost Prohibitive" to pay for satellite images every couple of months and then to pay a bunch of people to compare past and present images.

Besides, they don't paint the name of the road on the road in large enough letters for the satellite to show it. Still have to get the name from the local bureaucrats.

This is a major advantage for the googles of the world, then. It may totally explain why the nuvi with the "latest" map, and the android with the latest "maps" app, route differently. I have never found the google way to be wrong, but have found the nuvi to be wrong multiple times.

If you use google maps for directions, it tells you to use the 3 bil. highway.

It's fascinating--if the project mgr. of the 3 bil. highway, forgets or decides not to inform navteq or garmin, it won't be on the latest City Navigator map.

advantage

metricman wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

The entire highway was partially done 14 mos. prior to the map update. And one of the reasons for this Rt. 200 is to save motorists time, otherwise why would anyone pay $4 to go 16 miles? Just think it's ironic that Garmin and their map supplier would rely on users to tell them about 3 bil. highway projects and have to suggest that they add them a year after they went online....LOL

Actually, Navteq relies on State and Local governments to suppy the info on new roads, as they add them.

It would be "Cost Prohibitive" to pay for satellite images every couple of months and then to pay a bunch of people to compare past and present images.

Besides, they don't paint the name of the road on the road in large enough letters for the satellite to show it. Still have to get the name from the local bureaucrats.

This is a major advantage for the googles of the world, then. It may totally explain why the nuvi with the "latest" map, and the android with the latest "maps" app, route differently. I have never found the google way to be wrong, but have found the nuvi to be wrong multiple times.

If you use google maps for directions, it tells you to use the 3 bil. highway.

It's fascinating--if the project mgr. of the 3 bil. highway, forgets or decides not to inform navteq or garmin, it won't be on the latest City Navigator map.

Chicken or egg

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

Spokybob is talking about reporting errors to Google. He is right. They correct their maps very quickly compared to companies like Navteq. This is because Google doesn't rely on state and federal authorities for mapping information. They put a fleet of cars out on the road instead.

But, if they don't know the road is there, then how do they know to drive down it?

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Metricman DriveSmart 76 Williamsburg, VA

Simple.

They old fashioned way: using signs that say 'Freeway Ahead'.

Not everything is based on the internet. Using the noggin is still preferable, although 'old school'.

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Crowdsourcing

I would think Google would also crowdsource the information, especially given the fact that users can make changes to the maps themselves which appear once Google vets the changes.

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something to this

Juggernaut wrote:

They old fashioned way: using signs that say 'Freeway Ahead'.

Not everything is based on the internet. Using the noggin is still preferable, although 'old school'.

I have an example: My grandpa could amortize a mortgage with pencil and paper. My dad with a calculator. Me, with a spreadsheet. Today, one has java and a web browser. I wonder how many people would be unable to figure out a monthly loan payment without an internet connection? I call this the HR Block conundrum. Suddenly, even an unemployed person goes to his "accountant" to see how much larger of a refund he can get.

Navteq

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

Spokybob is talking about reporting errors to Google. He is right. They correct their maps very quickly compared to companies like Navteq. This is because Google doesn't rely on state and federal authorities for mapping information. They put a fleet of cars out on the road instead.

Navteq also has a fleet of vehicles out on the roads collecting map data. We were actually parked beside one at the M hotel in Las Vegas a couple of years ago. Navteq may well get data from state and federal governments but they also collect much of thier own data.

Here is a quote of Navteq's collection methods:

"NAVTEQ has more than 213 field offices in 50 countries around the world (mostly in the United States) that drive millions of miles annually capturing more than 260 attributes per segment through direct observation. NAVTEQ also relies on customer input. Their web-based feedback system allows customers to quickly report any discrepancies in the data. All feedback is validated before being integrated into the data."

One other thing to consider is that Garmin only releases updated maps on a quarterly basis. They receive map updates from Navteq, on the same bases or so I've been told, and then have to prepare that data and their own additional material prior to the update release. Given that, the data Garmin gets from Navteq could be a 2 or 3 months old when they get it and up to another 3 months before an update is released. Google probably update their maps more frequently than Garmin is able to.

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This explains why Garmin

This explains why Garmin took 1 year to discover the reopening of a freeway entrance in a california...

Map errors

In my town there was a bridge constructed over a set of railroad tracks to take the place of the road that ran accross them (and used to be blocked be stopped trains all the time). The bridge was about 500 yards from where the road was. It took over 6 years before my Garmin showed the road over the bridge (instead of driving through a field).

Way To Check

Since Garmin and MapQuest get their maps from NavTeq I always check MapQuest for new roads and changes. If it shows up on MapQuest then it will be in the next Garmin update.

That's

That's true but you can also check Navteq.com for even more up to date maps

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Government...

Any time you have to rely on bureaucrats to provide timely and accurate information you are doomed. I work for the state of California. Trust me on this - there are a lot of worthless bureaucrats.

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Speacking of worthless bureaucrats.

thrak wrote:

Any time you have to rely on bureaucrats to provide timely and accurate information you are doomed. I work for the state of California. Trust me on this - there are a lot of worthless bureaucrats.

Do you want some more???

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Cal

thrak wrote:

I work for the state of California.

Really? There are still some people who work for the state? I thought they all got laid off. crying

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Google vs NAVTEQ

spokybob wrote:

I have informed them (Google) of map changes in my area. In 3 of the 4 occasions, they have made the changes promptly, within a few weeks. The last one required about 6 months. They had Wal-Mart Pharmacy & Wal-Mart store a few blocks away from each other, even though the address was identical. Go figure.

I looked up my request to NAVTEQ about a road closure in my town. It is dated May 7 2011. NAVTEQ probably rates it as low priority, but Jill directs me to turn on this road even though it is a dead-end and has been for about 3 years.

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Actually...

t923347 wrote:

That's true but you can also check Navteq.com for even more up to date maps

To get the most updated version of the Navteq map that is available on the web, go to MapQuest. For whatever reason, Navteq has not been regularly updating their main site and their Map reporter site as well.

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Satellite views Maptech vs Google

rame1012 wrote:

To get the most updated version of the Navteq map that is available on the web, go to MapQuest. For whatever reason, Navteq has not been regularly updating their main site and their Map reporter site as well.

Google posted a new satellite view last year. Google just posted an updated view that is less than two months old. Mapquest is still showing a satellite view that is five years old. No wonder their maps are not up to date.

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Incorrect

I know that Garmin does not do the map updates, they rely on Navteq.

It seems that there is a "Warning" that comes up every time you fire up your GPS, in other words use the gray matter between your ears.

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