Charged for Police car gas

 

What does everyone think about being charged $12.00 or more for gas, when you get a speeding ticket? It probably will become the standard.

I feel the ticket is the money maker why are they demanding more, in the guise of high fuel cost.

http://tinyurl.com/42so8a

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Insane.

WOW!

How many ways can they think of to get more taxes out of the working man. I hope that does not come to Canada.

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Not a Bad Idea

As an accountant, activity based costing makes sense. The cost of gas should be put on the offender.

Jen

dog_poop wrote: What does

dog_poop wrote:

What does everyone think about being charged $12.00 or more for gas, when you get a speeding ticket? It probably will become the standard.

I feel the ticket is the money maker why are they demanding more, in the guise of high fuel cost.

http://tinyurl.com/42so8a

Bob

What are the cops driving over there? - Hummers?
Either that or they persued people for a long distance to use $12 worth of gas!!
LOL

Of course it will....

Irish FX4 wrote:

WOW!

How many ways can they think of to get more taxes out of the working man. I hope that does not come to Canada.

The collective stupidity that is Toronto city council will probably fire someone for not thinking of it first!

This is BS!

That's what cops do; drive around and enforce laws. They're already on the road, and especially if their on traffic/ radar duty. I've seen cops drive around at 15-30kph faster than the posted limit. Why? Because they can. We're supposed to pay for this fiscal irresponsibility?!

This is nothing more than a cash grab and they know it. What a load of cow chips! :furious:

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activity based costing??

jennyzita wrote:

As an accountant, activity based costing makes sense. The cost of gas should be put on the offender.

Jen

Oh Please
Isn't it part of running radar, or better yet in the price the city makes when they write the ticket and then collect the fine in court?
I don't charge the city when they go buy donuts while in the squad car. Oh wait, they charge me in wasted tax money when they make that stop at Dunkin Donuts, or when they cruise past me faster than the posted speed limit, or turn the light bar on just to run a red light.

Bob

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"Tax" ??

I have a hard time getting worked up over a levy/fee/tax that doesn't apply to anyone who is obeying the law.

There is a similar fee built into tickets in our area that helps to fund the "victims of crime" compensation fund.

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Isn't VA taking this one step further?

Didn't I read that in Virginia they charge all out of state folks an upcharge ( don't know what they call it) on any violation? Seems their lawyers knew it wouldn't stand a challenge for residents - but let's hit the tourists!

It was actually the reverse

It was actually the reverse. Virginia passed (and has since repealed) additional penalties $$$ for VA resident drivers found quilty of specific violations. Out-of-state drivers were exempt. The fees were part of a highway funding measure but there was an uproar because some of the additional penalties were over a $1000 on top of the regular fines for things like DUI. The legislative repealed the extra fines and now is looking for new dollars to maintain the roads.

Back to the original thread, not too bothered by a gas surcharge if I get ticketed. I'm sure they have to use a good bit of fuel chasing people down.

Pay for Police Gas

Well lets see..the citizens have been paying for that gas all along. Shouldn't the violator pay for it? I've always thought that the citizens pay for too much and the violator (traffic or criminal)gets away with it scott free. It's time for the persons violating the laws pay for their sins...or mine when I get caught....

Road Tax

Here in CAli, the road tax on each gallon of gas is around .35. I would like to see this passed on to people breaking the law as well.
Out here all police, sheiffs and highway patrol take their patrol cars home, even if the live 60 miles or more from work. I do not think that we should fit the bill for that.
I would like to see more tax's and charges passed on to offenders of the road law's.

Rebate

That fee for gas is fine for violators...As a non-speeding tax payer (even though my GPS has a max speed of 506!) who has always paid for police gas through my taxes, should I now be expecting a rebate on that gasnow that violators are being directly charged for this?

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Moving to the beach in Mexico. Puerto Escondido Oaxaca. My 3 story condo about done. No property taxes, no police bs, gas cost 2 dollars less per gal than in the US, hot women, cold beer, clean beaches, sand, clear blue water, fishing, mountains. Lots of US ex-pats already there. US going down like Rome. See ya...

The Old Dominion

mtnfsh wrote:

It was actually the reverse. Virginia passed (and has since repealed) additional penalties $$$ for VA resident drivers found quilty of specific violations. Out-of-state drivers were exempt.

Virginia also allows their residents to drive with no insurance. One need only pay an annual $500 to the state for that privilege.* Now who might take advantage of that? Perhaps someone who doesn't have any auto insurance... because of a driving record so bad they can't find anyone willing to insure them? In other words, exactly the driver that the state ought to be keeping off the roads. Can somebody develop a device to alert me to nearby uninsured motorists? They're worse than redlight cameras.

*From the VA DMV website: "Or, if insurance is not an option, pay the $500 uninsured
motor vehicle fee. Paying this fee does not provide
insurance coverage, but it does allow you to register
and operate your vehicle in Virginia for one year."

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But that's worse!

Dsorgnzd wrote:
mtnfsh wrote:

It was actually the reverse. Virginia passed (and has since repealed) additional penalties $$$ for VA resident drivers found quilty of specific violations. Out-of-state drivers were exempt.

Virginia also allows their residents to drive with no insurance. One need only pay an annual $500 to the state for that privilege.* Now who might take advantage of that? Perhaps someone who doesn't have any auto insurance... because of a driving record so bad they can't find anyone willing to insure them? In other words, exactly the driver that the state ought to be keeping off the roads. Can somebody develop a device to alert me to nearby uninsured motorists? They're worse than redlight cameras.

*From the VA DMV website: "Or, if insurance is not an option, pay the $500 uninsured
motor vehicle fee. Paying this fee does not provide
insurance coverage, but it does allow you to register
and operate your vehicle in Virginia for one year."

I think that is worse because to have NO-Fault insurance can be less than that. My no fault is $480 at 40/60k. If you go the other route and pay the state, you still get sued if you have an accident!

I'm pretty sure we're paying

I'm pretty sure we're paying the gas for these cars anyway through our taxes here in Canada. Why would they not just raise the cost of the ticket, and not inform us that it's to pay for gas and spare us all the debate. I guess anything to rile the masses.

the police in montgomery county, md uses..

2006 dodge chargers

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Gas Surcharge

What do you think the odds are if oil drops down to $30 a barel that they'll remove it.

It's all about money.

As the price of fuel goes up, the Government revenue goes down. The Government requires more and more revenue all the time. This is just another money grab. Do you think that if in a year or two gas came down to $3 they would drop the surcharge?

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gas money for tickets

I thought speeding tickets were to punish the criminal, not to generate revenue. If they are going to give out tickets to make money, pretty soon they will be giving tickets to everyone for any reason. The police should not generate their own revenue.

Take the squad car home

CANGST wrote:

Here in CAli, the road tax on each gallon of gas is around .35. I would like to see this passed on to people breaking the law as well.
Out here all police, sheiffs and highway patrol take their patrol cars home, even if the live 60 miles or more from work. I do not think that we should fit the bill for that.
I would like to see more tax's and charges passed on to offenders of the road law's.

I disagree, A squad car at the house or driving home means police presence any where he goes. As a cop is never really off duty, the ability to enforce (or deter) only enhances the protection they provide. I'm not a cop, but if I wasn't a soldier, I would be.

Hmm, I wonder if the Cheif would let me take my tank home. (over 500 gallons for 8 hrs)

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jclarkr6 wrote:

What do you think the odds are if oil drops down to $30 a barel that they'll remove it.

those rich bastards that sell the oil now know what we (the public) are willing to pay for gas. Why lower the price, they know we will pay.
Of course realistically it is all a mater of supply and demand, but the above stated knowledge will affect prices from now on.

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American Revolution

American Revolution started due to heavy taxation. My county has several hundred take home cars as perks. How many of you get take home cars from you company?

What a lame law...

Pennyrewob wrote:

What are the cops driving over there? - Hummers?
Either that or they persued people for a long distance to use $12 worth of gas!!
LOL

Well, I know that police cruisers have a "special" engine in them...so who knows, maybe they only get 2MPG. razz

Or maybe the people down there have the "If you want me, you have to catch me first!" mentality. razz grin

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Maybe they're driving Bugatti Verons...

At 240 mph plus they get gpm (Gallons per mile) Just what Volkswagon needs to build $1.5 mil for a gas guzzler.... and there is a waiting line... rolleyes

Kitrax wrote:
Pennyrewob wrote:

What are the cops driving over there? - Hummers?
Either that or they persued people for a long distance to use $12 worth of gas!!
LOL

Well, I know that police cruisers have a "special" engine in them...so who knows, maybe they only get 2MPG. razz

Or maybe the people down there have the "If you want me, you have to catch me first!" mentality. razz grin

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I guess law abiding citizens would never use Camera POI's

So those of you that think police should charge for gas because it's breaking the law if you get caught going 5 or ten miles over the speed limit, don't use the speed camera's and redlight camera's POI's do you?

it would be Hypercritical wink

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Do as I say not as I do

It is a calculated risk; safety, increased use of gas, potential to get caught and pay a fine (+ tax), how late you are, consequences of being late, and probably a bunch more I'm not thinking of go into the calculation, if the desired endstate is worth the risk, then you have your law breakers. but don't bitch when you get caught- you know the consequences in advance.

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hey, yeah...i read about it.

hey, yeah...i read about it. i love the idea. what a way to generate more revenue for the city/county/state.

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No car for me.......

poi4433 wrote:

American Revolution started due to heavy taxation. My county has several hundred take home cars as perks. How many of you get take home cars from you company?

I work for a state agency and, not only do I not have a car to take home, I'm being forced to drive 50 miles each way from home to office at $4.58 a gallon.

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The World Owes Me

It's a common view of "the world owes me" individuals to see fines and penalties as taxes. Enforcing speed limits is a public safety service made necessary by criminals. The real question is, "why should honest people pay for the cost of law enforcement?" Somehow, this thread has degraded to stereotyping law enforcement officials and blanket accusations that our police forces abuse their positions of trust. Things simply work better when individuals accept accountability for their actions. A year ago, my five year old used to explain his bad actions by tranferring the guilt to another child, "Billy did it first." I hope he never says, "the police officer was speeding first." Instead, I expect him to apologize, pay his penalties, and develop his respect for others.
Jen

First off, I know what you meant

thrak wrote:

I work for a state agency and, not only do I not have a car to take home, I'm being forced to drive 50 miles each way from home to office at $4.58 a gallon.

But, you are not being "forced" to drive 50 miles each way, just to pay for the gas.

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Interesting angle. What

Interesting angle. What excuse will they use next. At least that is creative.

BS Charge

These are BS charges. Why not just raise the ticket price? These are all just additional taxes and the politicians are always trying to think of ways to disguise a tax and calling it everything but what it really is.

Why don't they add a charge for every call a police makes that results in a ticket?

Just call it a tax and quit hiding what you are doing.

Wish That Were So

I travel a great deal in my state job. I'm expected to arrive at destinations hundreds of miles away at 8 am.

I don't get paid for "travel time". There are few state vehicles available, so I take my own car.

The state reimbursement rate doesn't cover the current cost of gasoline. A rented mule gets better treatment. Just my opinion.

GregPaul

Forced vs not forced.........

gpfoster wrote:
thrak wrote:

I work for a state agency and, not only do I not have a car to take home, I'm being forced to drive 50 miles each way from home to office at $4.58 a gallon.

But, you are not being "forced" to drive 50 miles each way, just to pay for the gas.

Actually, I do an IT job which can be done from anywhere. I worked in my home town for the past 8.5 years and now have a new boss who doesn't understand IT that well and insists I have to drive to a different town. That, to me, is "being forced" to drive 50 miles each way. Sure, I could quit my job but that isn't really a viable alternative.

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Bummer........

GregPaul wrote:

I travel a great deal in my state job. I'm expected to arrive at destinations hundreds of miles away at 8 am.

I don't get paid for "travel time". There are few state vehicles available, so I take my own car.

The state reimbursement rate doesn't cover the current cost of gasoline. A rented mule gets better treatment. Just my opinion.

GregPaul

Wow. Glad I don't live in your state. I don't get paid for commute time or the gas to commute (2 hours a day and close to $400 a month in gas) but, when I do travel to OTHER offices for work, I get decent mileage reimbursement. I also do that travel on-the-clock. If you want me in an office hundreds or miles away and you want me there by 8:00 in the morning then you will pay me to travel the day before and you will pay for my meals, hotel, etc. to stay the night so I can be there bright and early. You are sooooooooooooo getting screwed!

Of course it's supposed to cover gas, insurance, wear and tear, etc. but the per mile travel reimbursement way more than covers just the gas. In fact, it would cover the gas if it was $4/gal and you only got 8 miles/gal on your vehicle. CA pays the same reimbursement as the Feds pay - 50.5¢ per mile.

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Thank You

thrak,

Thanks for your sympathy. Most of these indignities have accumulated as part of my boss's "we want you out" campaign. Administrative decision. I've seen the same happen to others in private industry.

I've long been amazed by that Fed mileage reimbursement rate. Wow! That per diem would also be welcome.

Thinking it over, I'll try to engender the same sympathy from my boss this coming Monday. I'm not foolish enough to think it'll work, of course.

Thanks again!

GregPaul

This is one of many

This is one of many government scams to screw over the american motorist. I though taxes covered police expenses aren't tickets a deterrent and if we get hit extra with a fuel bill which is nonsense how about monioring the police usage of fuel i.e. idling a car in the winter for hours with the windows open and driving dangerously quick full throttle for no reason at all. Furthermore how about using better more fuel efficient vehicles for the job I see so many police suburbans and expeditions doing highway patrol they are probably getting 9 mpg or less get turboed 4's or 6's that can do 150 but also get 25 mpg.

amen

Irish FX4 wrote:

WOW!

How many ways can they think of to get more taxes out of the working man. I hope that does not come to Canada.

They will always, ALWAYS look for ways to tax us without representation.

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I have to agree, if you

I have to agree, if you don't speed, which I do, you won't have to worry about paying the extra money. I look at it this way, if I add up all the times that I speed and don't get caught and then I do, I probably pay less than 5 cents per actual speeding infraction (whether I am caught or not).

If a Judge warrants it.

jennyzita wrote:

It's a common view of "the world owes me" individuals to see fines and penalties as taxes. Enforcing speed limits is a public safety service made necessary by criminals. The real question is, "why should honest people pay for the cost of law enforcement?" Somehow, this thread has degraded to stereotyping law enforcement officials and blanket accusations that our police forces abuse their positions of trust. Things simply work better when individuals accept accountability for their actions. A year ago, my five year old used to explain his bad actions by tranferring the guilt to another child, "Billy did it first." I hope he never says, "the police officer was speeding first." Instead, I expect him to apologize, pay his penalties, and develop his respect for others.
Jen

Jen,
Sorry you feel that way. And a year later your son is six. However the ticket written along with a court date and a Judge levee the fine plus court costs.
Are you telling me it's okay to charge you if billy(god-forbid) is beaten by a older boy and you call the police to your house? after all the police are wasting gas driving to your house when they could be on the street protecting others that have more important things to be protected from, when you could easily just wipe his tears and put ice one his black eye.

My point is, the police are out there doing a job, and thats protecting Billy from Bully's or writing me a ticket for speeding. the speeding ticket is the fine with the court costs if a Judge warrants it.
Sorry to use Billy as an analogy, but you brought him into it in the first place. And the world owes me Nothing, and Fines and Court Costs are Fines not Taxes.

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Virginia, traffic fines

I read that in Virginia, the court charge the residence more almost double. They live there and should know better.

Joe

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Boy, I have read a lot of...

Boy, I have read a lot of BS here about Cops, tickets and the use of gas in Law Enforcement vehicles. Try this, next time you call 911 for an emergence, you child is lost. OMG my house is on fire and the dispatcher say’s we are really low on gas, but we will try to get there as soon as we can.
Cops driving faster then you are. Who knows, maybe he/she is on a call, all calls are not Code 3 emergency calls.
As far as speeding ticket fines getting higher, great, the higher the better. Maybe then the speeder will slow down and save a life, maybe mine.
Just my 5 cents worth. smile

Joe wink

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IRS mileage

thrak wrote:

Wow. Glad I don't live in your state. I don't get paid for commute time or the gas to commute (2 hours a day and close to $400 a month in gas) but, when I do travel to OTHER offices for work, I get decent mileage reimbursement.

Of course it's supposed to cover gas, insurance, wear and tear, etc. but the per mile travel reimbursement way more than covers just the gas. In fact, it would cover the gas if it was $4/gal and you only got 8 miles/gal on your vehicle. CA pays the same reimbursement as the Feds pay - 50.5¢ per mile.

Probably one of the most misunderstood IRS rules out there. Per IRS rules, reimbursement for commuting to/from work is taxable income, no matter how much you are reimbursed by your company. Reimbursement for mileage can be at any rate (or none at all) as determined by your company. The IRS rule merely states that any reimbursement over their published rate must be declared as taxable income. The same rule allows you to claim a business deduction at that rate for business (not commuting) mileage, less whatever your company gives you.

And the rate just went to 58.5/mile, effective July 1.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=184163,00.html

Fines go to gen fund

I think that the fines go into the general fund, and the surcharge would go back to the cops.
Here in Washington state, Insurance is mandatory, yet we have had 4 uninsured motorist collide with us. (3 times with our vehicles and once into our house).
You can make an argument that the surcharge is Taxation but not that you do not have representation.
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Forced?!

thrak wrote:
poi4433 wrote:

American Revolution started due to heavy taxation. My county has several hundred take home cars as perks. How many of you get take home cars from you company?

I work for a state agency and, not only do I not have a car to take home, I'm being forced to drive 50 miles each way from home to office at $4.58 a gallon.

You are being FORCED to drive 50 miles each way?! Think about what you just said.